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Post by mcmaster on Apr 5, 2012 22:17:41 GMT 12
;D ;D
Did Mike Hunt get lost too?
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Post by lesterpk on Apr 6, 2012 2:39:15 GMT 12
Or Hugh Jarse...
Hugh Jorgan
Phil McCrakken
Justin Sider
Take your pic
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Post by phil82 on Apr 6, 2012 6:09:23 GMT 12
I did hear at one stage Kate announcing they had a couple of lost senior citizens....and no...I wasn't one of them!
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Post by phil82 on Apr 6, 2012 8:56:17 GMT 12
Perhaps this is the real reason the RAF A330 Voyager MTTT failed to appear at the show....it doesn't work and is going to cost $20m to fix!
"A FLEET of supersize refuelling planes meant for the RAF have hit a huge setback — they don’t work on British jets.
Tests have revealed the giant new Voyager air-to-air tankers are not compatible with RAF Tornados.The connecting pipes which join aircraft together in flight LEAK when fuel is pumped through them.
Even more embarrassingly the system DOES work when it has been tried on US jets.
It is a massive headache for Defence Secretary Philip Hammond and the MoD, which signed a £10billion deal with makers AirTanker for 14 Voyagers.
The tankers — at 60m long and with a 60m wingspan the largest aircraft in the RAF’s history — can carry 100,000 litres of fuel.
They are meant to pass it on to other planes at 5,000 litres a minute, 125 times the speed of garage forecourt pumps.
But now some inside the MoD are starting to fear the Tornado issue could delay delivery of the entire fleet. Nine of the planes are due to be in service as early as 2014.
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Post by hardyakka on Apr 6, 2012 9:20:29 GMT 12
The RAF has retired the Tornado, haven't they? Should that be Typhoon?
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Post by hardyakka on Apr 6, 2012 9:42:25 GMT 12
Ahhh... So I guess the refueling gear works with Typhoons, but they haven't ensured proper backwards compatibility for older aircraft.
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 6, 2012 9:52:52 GMT 12
Perhaps this is the real reason the RAF A330 Voyager MTTT failed to appear at the show....it doesn't work and is going to cost $20m to fix! "A FLEET of supersize refuelling planes meant for the RAF have hit a huge setback — they don’t work on British jets. Tests have revealed the giant new Voyager air-to-air tankers are not compatible with RAF Tornados.The connecting pipes which join aircraft together in flight LEAK when fuel is pumped through them. Even more embarrassingly the system DOES work when it has been tried on US jets. ... Will impact Typhoons as well - must be a spec difference in Brit vs US systems. www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iqqZc5DldcPaGyTNUFKCZvHnpnpw?docId=N0135451333622017224A |
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Post by phil82 on Apr 6, 2012 9:59:16 GMT 12
Nope, it's an intermittent problem. The Voyager and KC-30A both use the Cobham 905E pod.
The Luftwaffe A310MRTT and RCAF Polaris CC-150T both use the Cobham 907E pod.
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Post by beagle on Apr 6, 2012 17:45:13 GMT 12
it wasn't coming on a refuelling mission so no excuses
unless they only have the one to sort the problems out with.
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Post by paddy on Apr 7, 2012 9:55:22 GMT 12
A random snippet from the airshow that has come to mind - that is how many lost kids there were at this airshow. The poor comentary team had to take responsibility for reuniting dumb-arse familes who cannot control their kids - and there seemed to be several every hour, almost all of which had stupendously daft and hilarious names. One of the best I heard was a lost three year old looking for his "Uncle Bulldozer"! But the one that took the cake for the day was the mother who'd lost her two kids, Diamond and Justice. Huh? No wonder they ran away. ;D At the 81 Airshow there was one kid who was "Lost" for the whole day. I'm sure the parent got an earful when said child was picked up from the unofficial babysitters. |
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Post by cessna172plane on Apr 11, 2012 13:55:49 GMT 12
a very memorable experience
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Post by JW on Apr 19, 2012 15:44:53 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 19, 2012 16:17:05 GMT 12
Next time they should make it pre-paid tickets only, and when the system sells the 50,000th ticket anything after should say "Sorry, sold out" like any other public event where tickets are sold. No gate sales would speed up the in-flow immensely.
And the RNZAF needs to run it themselves and not leave it to an incompetent contractor.
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Post by Freighter5910 on Apr 19, 2012 17:47:58 GMT 12
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Post by mumbles on Apr 19, 2012 19:50:54 GMT 12
One of the biggest problems that seems to not have been noted is that a lot of people took it into their own hands to find a 'better' way in to the event rather than follow what little traffic planning there was. Those people were just as much to blame for the traffic problems as anything else - they thought they were being clever but really they created a large part of the problem. They should have been turned back and told to go the right way - just like they would have been at any other event. I agree that it looks like a few assumptions were made by the Air Force organising committee that exacerbated the problems (like assuming the majority would pre-buy on-line rather than rely on gate sales), but disagree with the above comments about the self-orienting traffic. "People took it into their own hands" because for many there was NO evident traffic planning. I certainly saw none where it was needed (or expected for that matter), and only avoided problems myself due to a combination of luck and experience. Similar for being "turned back and told to go the right way". For most there was simply no-one to actually give this direction. From my observations, and what I have heard privately, the blame for the traffic problems can definitely be laid primarily with the contractors. There was a ball, and it was dropped. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 19, 2012 19:59:34 GMT 12
They got over 100,000 to the 21st Anniversary Airshow at Ohakea from what I have read.
Did they genuinely stop charging and collecting tickets? It is disheartening to hear that and also that they were refunding people when you think how much it must have cost to put on, and that the proceeds after paying for the event would have gone to the Air Force museum of New Zealand's new buildings, from what I understand. A huge loss. Here was I think 70,000 people, that's big money for the museum...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 19, 2012 20:02:13 GMT 12
Another factor these days is the population has a lot more stupid drivers and impatient w***ers on the road, which cannot help such a situation, as they all think they know better. I blame Playstation and Xbox, it's ruined their tiny minds.
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Post by fwx on Apr 19, 2012 21:03:38 GMT 12
Its pretty simple really - they had been talking about 50,000 prior to the event and for such a big event you turn up early. We did, got in easily and had no major problems.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 19, 2012 21:21:44 GMT 12
Same here.
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Post by Freighter5910 on Apr 19, 2012 23:51:07 GMT 12
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