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Post by beegeetee on Jun 12, 2019 10:43:16 GMT 12
I'm not really a military buff but were we able to move Hueys around with C130s? Say for disaster relief in the Islands? How do we deploy NH-90's offshore? Can't fit in Hercs? Is that not like buying a caravan without a ute to tow it? Yes, we moved Hueys by Herc: NH90s are too big for a Herc, so they are deployed overseas by HMNZS Canterbury or by Aussie C-17: The A400M is capable of moving an NH90, which is one reason it may be a good choice to fill the strategic airlift requirement.
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Post by Bruce on Jun 12, 2019 10:51:13 GMT 12
NH90s can self-deploy to most places in the Pacific if required, but generally Canterbury can carry them - and there will be a second sealift vessel eventually as well. The C130 is the "low risk - Low cost" option, its not a huge capability gain but at least its affordable, and will improve reliability and operating costs. I'm a bit disappointed the A400 wasnt chosen, but getting approval for those was always going to be a struggle (medium risk - High cost).
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2019 10:54:14 GMT 12
I'm not really a military buff but were we able to move Hueys around with C130s? Say for disaster relief in the Islands? How do we deploy NH-90's offshore? Can't fit in Hercs? Is that not like buying a caravan without a ute to tow it? The RNZAF engages the services of C-17's from one of our Allies, usually Australia. This has been done several times and there is actually an agreement signed some years ago where the NZDF can use RAAF C-17's when necessary. This is why militaries have such partnerships with other overseas forces. Working together is always the best option, particularly for smaller countries like New Zealand.
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Post by isc on Jun 12, 2019 14:01:37 GMT 12
I think I saw that there was talk of a replacement for tha army's LAVs, with any luck they might get something that fits a C-130. isc
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Post by baz62 on Jun 12, 2019 15:52:56 GMT 12
As usual on Facebook you've got the moaners saying it should have been spent on teachers etc but it's never a great time to spend the big dollars........and a bit late if a war breaks out or we have a fatal accident caused by an old aircraft past its prime. Sod the teachers. It's defence's turn at last! As for "if a war breaks out", erm our Herks are regularly, almost constantly, operating in war conditions these days Baz. Admin note: Please keep the chatter about boats off this thread. We have a Navy board for that sort of thing...Erm I meant locally, flying into combat zones is well known...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2019 15:57:49 GMT 12
If war broke out locally the five Herks would probably be demanded to evacuate all the politicians and their families and all their wealthy chattels to a safe country...
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jun 12, 2019 17:15:00 GMT 12
I think I saw that there was talk of a replacement for tha army's LAVs, with any luck they might get something that fits a C-130. isc That will be a struggle. The current LAV at around 18 tonne (air portable weight) just fits but equivalent vehicles are now up around 30 tonne with corresponding size increase due to increased level of protection. It like NH90, the LAV will be purchased in the size it needs to perform its role, not the capacity of a truck that occasionally carries it.
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Post by Naki. on Jun 12, 2019 18:16:54 GMT 12
NH90s can self-deploy to most places in the Pacific if required, but generally Canterbury can carry them - and there will be a second sealift vessel eventually as well. The C130 is the "low risk - Low cost" option, its not a huge capability gain but at least its affordable, and will improve reliability and operating costs. I'm a bit disappointed the A400 wasnt chosen, but getting approval for those was always going to be a struggle (medium risk - High cost). A400 is still a chance with the strategic air lift programme
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Post by nighthawknz on Jun 12, 2019 18:52:19 GMT 12
NH90s can self-deploy to most places in the Pacific if required, but generally Canterbury can carry them - Whilst technically they can self-deploy I doubt that they will, using those flight hours just to get there is huge expense on the NH-90 in those flight hours. And personally I would don't like the idea of a helo flying those distances over open ocean where weather can change on a whim where the a plane can fly (and glide if needed) through or gain altitude and fly over, extra fuel around on a new flight path etc... The thing with relying on the navy to sail them there is speed... A C-17, or A400m can get the helo there in a matter of hours.... Canterbury may be else where and have to sail back to pick up the Helo load everything up and then sail of she could be in a maintenance period... (where the new LPD will alleviate that) ... that could take a week if she is already in port, it still a couple of days... speed can be everything... but that is just me
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Post by Bruce on Jun 12, 2019 19:07:48 GMT 12
NH90s can self-deploy to most places in the Pacific if required, but generally Canterbury can carry them - and there will be a second sealift vessel eventually as well. The C130 is the "low risk - Low cost" option, its not a huge capability gain but at least its affordable, and will improve reliability and operating costs. I'm a bit disappointed the A400 wasnt chosen, but getting approval for those was always going to be a struggle (medium risk - High cost). A400 is still a chance with the strategic air lift programme I Hope so!
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Post by madmac on Jun 12, 2019 19:19:17 GMT 12
And personally I would don't like the idea of a helo flying those distances over open ocean where weather can change on a whim where the a plane can fly (and glide if needed) through or gain altitude and fly over, extra fuel around on a new flight path etc... Landing on a container ship in an NH90 is probadly a safer bet than needing to really stretch range in an fixed wing.
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Post by Calum on Jun 13, 2019 15:02:53 GMT 12
Right,we have new trainers,new helicopters,we are getting new maritime aircraft and new transport aircraft, what next, new strike aircraft? UAV's according to the plan. IMHO, as much I'd like to see a strike capability UAV's are probably going to be more useful. Perhaps the RNZAF may get armed UAV's (Predator/Reaper) at some stage. These can certainly be used for both surveillance and light attack
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 13, 2019 16:19:57 GMT 12
I just read on Facebook that the C-130H's were apparently grounded today. Not sure why.
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Post by baz62 on Jun 13, 2019 16:31:41 GMT 12
I just read on Facebook that the C-130H's were apparently grounded today. Not sure why. Jealousy
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jun 13, 2019 16:34:17 GMT 12
Not "grounded" as such, just all unserviceable for various reasons. Coincidental timing too with the discussions going on in the media and amongst the general public about why the Hercs need to be replaced.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 13, 2019 16:35:09 GMT 12
Oh, so business as usual then.
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Post by machina on Jun 13, 2019 19:46:28 GMT 12
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jun 13, 2019 20:59:42 GMT 12
Great timing, from my point of view...a perfect spring-board for underscoring to the nay-sayers the very real need to stop the procrastination
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Post by shorty on Jun 13, 2019 21:33:57 GMT 12
Right,we have new trainers,new helicopters,we are getting new maritime aircraft and new transport aircraft, what next, new strike aircraft? UAV's according to the plan. IMHO, as much I'd like to see a strike capability UAV's are probably going to be more useful. Perhaps the RNZAF may get armed UAV's (Predator/Reaper) at some stage. These can certainly be used for both surveillance and light attack tongue was firmly in cheek
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Post by ErrolC on Jun 13, 2019 21:38:34 GMT 12
Great timing, from my point of view...a perfect spring-board for underscoring to the nay-sayers the very real need to stop the procrastination The package needs to be signed off by both US Houses, right? I'm sure that process is running smoothly - NOT!
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