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Post by mcmaster on Dec 15, 2022 0:34:31 GMT 12
Thx Dave enjoyed that podcast. Well described the gravity of that Christchurch quake mission recce. Also what a tough plane the P3 is no wonder it’s the one they fly into cyclones!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 15, 2022 7:17:17 GMT 12
Indeed, I found that most interesting about the wing design making it so stable.
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Post by Antonio on Dec 15, 2022 8:30:54 GMT 12
From Naval News: 13th December www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/12/boeing-awards-contract-to-lufthansa-technik-to-support-new-zealands-p-8a-poseidon-fleet/ P-8A Poseidon MPA of New Zealand (Lufthansa Technik photo)Boeing Awards Contract To Lufthansa Technik To Support New Zealand’s P-8A Poseidon Fleet Boeing has awarded Lufthansa Technik a contract for sustainment services within its support of the Royal New Zealand Air Force’s (RNZAF) future fleet of four P-8A aircraft that will leverage commercial capabilities to improve readiness rates. he contract is for provision of Lufthansa Technik’s Total Component Support (TCS), a comprehensive component services program for the 737 covering more than four hundred commercial common parts included in the configuration of the P-8A, a military derivative of the popular airliner. Leveraging the 737 commercial market in support of P-8A international customers will allow smaller fleets easier access to necessary global supply chain inventory from the more than four thousand 737 aircraft operating today.
“Our collaboration with Lufthansa Technik is a strong example of how industry can work together to solve customer challenges and maintain high readiness rates. Our goal is to expand service offerings from a strategic German industry partner for additional P-8A customers to benefit.”
Torbjorn (Turbo) Sjogren, Boeing VP and General Manager, Government Services The TCS program provided by Lufthansa Technik allows the RNZAF to reduce investment in commercial common parts and improve aircraft readiness through access to the German company’s maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) global supply chain.oeing and Lufthansa Technik signed a strategic Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) in 2021 to support Germany’s P-8A Poseidon fleet. The MOU expanded to a three-party agreement with ESG Elektroniksystem- und Logistik-GmbH in 2022. “Lufthansa Technik is a longstanding partner with a long history of supporting Boeing aircraft around the world,” said Michael Haidinger, president of Boeing in Germany. “This new contract is a clear demonstration of our commitment to German industry and how we partner across the Atlantic and globally, shaping meaningful partnerships that ensure continued economic and industrial growth in Germany.”
Under Boeing’s Performance-Based Logistics (PBL) program, Lufthansa Technik also provides hardware support to the Italian fleet of Boeing KC-767A tankers and has facilitated outstanding aircraft availability for the Italian Air Force.
“As a renowned expert for Special Mission aircraft and a leading maintenance, repair and overhaul provider with decades of experience in servicing commercial Boeing 737s, we are delighted to soon start servicing New Zealand’s Poseidon fleet. The strong partnership with Boeing enables us to offer the best possible service level over the entire life cycle of the aircraft. We are very much looking forward to further cooperation with our partners in Germany and beyond.”
Michael von Puttkamer, VP Special Aircraft Services at Lufthansa Technik In July 2018, the government of New Zealand announced the purchase of four P-8A Poseidon aircraft to replace their aging fleet of P-3K2 maritime patrol aircraft. The first P-8A to New Zealand was delivered December 2022, with three remaining aircraft to be delivered in 2023. Deployed around the world with 155 aircraft delivered or in service, and more than 450,000 collective, mishap free flight hours, the P-8A is vital for global anti-submarine warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and search-and-rescue operations. |
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Post by obiwan27 on Dec 15, 2022 11:46:35 GMT 12
Really enjoying the podcast interview with the 5 Sqn crew. I think some interviews with Operational units would add an extra dimension to your podcasts in future Dave, when time of all involved aligns.
It's very informative for us aviation enthusiasts, but I feel for the general public also, much more so that the general MSM, that on the whole tend not to cut the mustard when it comes to our Defence Force.
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Post by machina on Dec 15, 2022 12:09:06 GMT 12
From Naval News: 13th December www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/12/boeing-awards-contract-to-lufthansa-technik-to-support-new-zealands-p-8a-poseidon-fleet/P-8A Poseidon MPA of New Zealand (Lufthansa Technik photo)Boeing Awards Contract To Lufthansa Technik To Support New Zealand’s P-8A Poseidon Fleet Boeing has awarded Lufthansa Technik a contract for sustainment services within its support of the Royal New Zealand Air Force’s (RNZAF) future fleet of four P-8A aircraft that will leverage commercial capabilities to improve readiness rates. he contract is for provision of Lufthansa Technik’s Total Component Support (TCS), a comprehensive component services program for the 737 covering more than four hundred commercial common parts included in the configuration of the P-8A, a military derivative of the popular airliner. Leveraging the 737 commercial market in support of P-8A international customers will allow smaller fleets easier access to necessary global supply chain inventory from the more than four thousand 737 aircraft operating today.
“Our collaboration with Lufthansa Technik is a strong example of how industry can work together to solve customer challenges and maintain high readiness rates. Our goal is to expand service offerings from a strategic German industry partner for additional P-8A customers to benefit.”
Torbjorn (Turbo) Sjogren, Boeing VP and General Manager, Government Services The TCS program provided by Lufthansa Technik allows the RNZAF to reduce investment in commercial common parts and improve aircraft readiness through access to the German company’s maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) global supply chain.oeing and Lufthansa Technik signed a strategic Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) in 2021 to support Germany’s P-8A Poseidon fleet. The MOU expanded to a three-party agreement with ESG Elektroniksystem- und Logistik-GmbH in 2022. “Lufthansa Technik is a longstanding partner with a long history of supporting Boeing aircraft around the world,” said Michael Haidinger, president of Boeing in Germany. “This new contract is a clear demonstration of our commitment to German industry and how we partner across the Atlantic and globally, shaping meaningful partnerships that ensure continued economic and industrial growth in Germany.”
Under Boeing’s Performance-Based Logistics (PBL) program, Lufthansa Technik also provides hardware support to the Italian fleet of Boeing KC-767A tankers and has facilitated outstanding aircraft availability for the Italian Air Force.
“As a renowned expert for Special Mission aircraft and a leading maintenance, repair and overhaul provider with decades of experience in servicing commercial Boeing 737s, we are delighted to soon start servicing New Zealand’s Poseidon fleet. The strong partnership with Boeing enables us to offer the best possible service level over the entire life cycle of the aircraft. We are very much looking forward to further cooperation with our partners in Germany and beyond.”
Michael von Puttkamer, VP Special Aircraft Services at Lufthansa Technik In July 2018, the government of New Zealand announced the purchase of four P-8A Poseidon aircraft to replace their aging fleet of P-3K2 maritime patrol aircraft. The first P-8A to New Zealand was delivered December 2022, with three remaining aircraft to be delivered in 2023. Deployed around the world with 155 aircraft delivered or in service, and more than 450,000 collective, mishap free flight hours, the P-8A is vital for global anti-submarine warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and search-and-rescue operations. Excuse my ignorance but what does this translate to in real life? Will our P-8s be off to Germany for certain maintenance or what? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 15, 2022 12:52:37 GMT 12
Excuse my ignorance but what does this translate to in real life? Will our P-8s be off to Germany for certain maintenance or what? No, from what I saw stated on Facebook yesterday it simply means the RNZAF has joined a spares pool contract. Not aircraft maintenance. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 15, 2022 13:03:02 GMT 12
Really enjoying the podcast interview with the 5 Sqn crew. I think some interviews with Operational units would add an extra dimension to your podcasts in future Dave, when time of all involved aligns. It's very informative for us aviation enthusiasts, but I feel for the general public also, much more so that the general MSM, that on the whole tend not to cut the mustard when it come to our Defence Force. Thank you Ken. I appreciate that. I do try to get a more broad and accurate, in-depth picture when interviewing people than the average article or news item provides. I am certainly keen to do more with the RNZAF operational units, if they are happy to do that. But be aware, such arrangements are not straight forward. I first approached the squadrons with the idea of meeting with personnel and recording some shows in January 2022, and the recordings were finally done in November 2022. Much of that revolved around the access restrictions to the base due to the virus, but also several extra months went by while we tried to tee up a time when staff were available. Even on the day there were a coupe of last minute changes in the line ups, thanks to staff being called away to other work. But pleasingly I did get both C.O.'s and two great bunches of people. |
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Post by ZacYates on Dec 15, 2022 16:25:54 GMT 12
So did none of the civil servants pick up the error, or did they all decide to let the official Media Release stay as said? Looks like it. Were it me I'd have added a [sic] after the offending word but I suspect that's not a great idea in government stuff! |
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Post by baz62 on Dec 15, 2022 17:37:13 GMT 12
87 months after starting this thread... finally the first aircraft to replace the P3K2 has arrived. beagle, who's he, where's he been.... Hey Mr Beagle glad to see you on here. Where did you go?  |
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Post by machina on Dec 15, 2022 17:58:24 GMT 12
May have missed it but when can we expect to see the new girl flying?
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Post by ErrolC on Dec 15, 2022 20:02:07 GMT 12
May have missed it but when can we expect to see the new girl flying? Well the simulators (one for flying, one for mission systems?) aren't available for a while, so it will be out an about soon I imagine. Might get a flypast at Wairarapa or Omaka? Or tag along on the Orion farewell tour that I assume is happening. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 15, 2022 23:11:19 GMT 12
Moderation Alert - A comment was made here that was inaccurate, which led to a controversy, so I have removed that sideline conversation. Let's please check our facts before posting, and stay on topic.
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Post by alanster on Dec 18, 2022 0:26:47 GMT 12
Henare also taking all the credit when this project only happened because of Ron Mark/NZF when he was MOD. At least Ron was invited to the welcome ceremony by the RNZAF. The RNZAF know who approved the purchase. Grant Robertson? The guy all ministers go to for funding decisions. |
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Post by beagle on Dec 19, 2022 7:25:10 GMT 12
morning team, someone has posted on facebook that the remaining 5 orions are going to the USA and be used as water bombers to fight fires. has anyone seen that in official print or heard this rumour ?
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Post by ZacYates on Dec 19, 2022 16:34:22 GMT 12
News to me and I'd love to hear more.
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Post by camtech on Dec 19, 2022 20:45:20 GMT 12
Off 5 Sqdn Assn web page
CO 5, fresh back from flying in Japan and Korea himself, gave an interesting brief on what the Squadron has achieved this year with the three-remaining aircraft, and a very high post-covid attrition rate for maintenance techs and aircrew, especially the former. Individuals are seeing plenty of Duty Crew as the Squadron continues to juggle operational commitments. The November copy of Air Force News has two articles showing 5 Squadron still covering the oceans from the tropics (a successful SAR of the north coast of Vanua Levu, Fiji) to the Deep South (counting whales off Campbell and Auckland Islands).
CO5 also confirmed that the bulk of the P-3K2 fleet is planned to go to ‘fire bombing operations’ in the USA. Although NZ4203, the first P-3K2 retired will be going to the Air Force Museum at Wigram, where it will be displayed in the ‘K2’ configuration.
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Post by gibbo on Dec 19, 2022 20:56:28 GMT 12
Off 5 Sqdn Assn web page CO 5, fresh back from flying in Japan and Korea himself, gave an interesting brief on what the Squadron has achieved this year with the three-remaining aircraft, and a very high post-covid attrition rate for maintenance techs and aircrew, especially the former. Individuals are seeing plenty of Duty Crew as the Squadron continues to juggle operational commitments. The November copy of Air Force News has two articles showing 5 Squadron still covering the oceans from the tropics (a successful SAR of the north coast of Vanua Levu, Fiji) to the Deep South (counting whales off Campbell and Auckland Islands). CO5 also confirmed that the bulk of the P-3K2 fleet is planned to go to ‘fire bombing operations’ in the USA. Although NZ4203, the first P-3K2 retired will be going to the Air Force Museum at Wigram, where it will be displayed in the ‘K2’ configuration. I wonder what condition the sensors & consoles etc are in?... they'll be a few years old & it doesn't take long for IT gear to become obsolete but one wonders (out loud) if a subset of such gear wouldn't have been a good fit into a fixed wing EMAC platform... seems Hawker Pacific can do similar with 2 of the KA350 easily enough. However moot point I guess now as the personnel shortages are such that EMAC will not be proceeding any time soon... just hope the project survives the upcoming defence review! |
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Post by ajmcg on Dec 24, 2022 17:27:56 GMT 12
EMAC was covered when NZ2351 and NZ2353 Beech 350i were modified with multi mode radar and electro optical infrared sensors, not just for training Air Warfare Officers but also complimenting the
P-8A Poseidon
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Post by gibbo on Dec 26, 2022 22:15:40 GMT 12
EMAC was covered when NZ2351 and NZ2353 Beech 350i were modified with multi mode radar and electro optical infrared sensors, not just for training Air Warfare Officers but also complimenting the P-8A Poseidon There's never been any 'official' statement to that effect and the MinDef major projects review released recently certainly doesn't tie EMAC to the KA350 mods. Also can't say I (as a civvy) have seen much to indicate 42Sqn being tasked specifically with 'EMAC' taskings... so I question that. |
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Post by ajmcg on Jan 4, 2023 15:22:42 GMT 12
NZ4803 first flight 30 December 2022.
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