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Post by saratoga on Oct 28, 2019 10:05:00 GMT 12
Has anybody noticed the GG always looks like a character from a Gerry Anderson marionation?.
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Post by nighthawknz on Oct 28, 2019 10:34:54 GMT 12
Has anybody noticed the GG always looks like a character from a Gerry Anderson marionation?. well she is just a puppet of the system... |
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Post by nighthawknz on Oct 29, 2019 19:04:42 GMT 12
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Post by kiwirob on Oct 30, 2019 0:31:49 GMT 12
I think you'll find HMNZS Aotearoa is named in honour of the famous Split Enz Kiwi classic, Six Months In A Leaky Boat. I heard once that song was actually written about a tour served by one of the band in an RNZN Frigate, so I guess it makes sense they pay tribute back. From memory that song was about the Whitbread around the World Yacht Race No it was about how long it took the immigrant ships to get from the UK to New Zealand. |
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Post by nighthawknz on Oct 30, 2019 11:24:47 GMT 12
From memory that song was about the Whitbread around the World Yacht Race No it was about how long it took the immigrant ships to get from the UK to New Zealand. That right... me got cufuddled .... they were playing it during the race on the bbc radio... and then got told not to play because the Falklands war with task force heading down... or something like that... can’t remember the exact story |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 30, 2019 12:25:34 GMT 12
Well regardless I most definitely remember hearing a radio DJ say it was about a tour on an RNZN frigate. Like most things radio DJ's say it was probably bullshit.
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Post by nighthawknz on Oct 30, 2019 14:05:22 GMT 12
Well regardless I most definitely remember hearing a radio DJ say it was about a tour on an RNZN frigate. Like most things radio DJ's say it was probably bullshit. Probably on Southland it was a rust bucket and had a few holes here and there 😬 |
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Post by senob on Oct 30, 2019 22:09:45 GMT 12
Well regardless I most definitely remember hearing a radio DJ say it was about a tour on an RNZN frigate. Like most things radio DJ's say it was probably bullshit. Probably on Southland it was a rust bucket and had a few holes here and there 😬 Heard a dit about a OD wire brushing rust off the inside of the hull during chipping and painting, and put his brush through the side. |
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Post by nighthawknz on Oct 30, 2019 23:24:09 GMT 12
Probably on Southland it was a rust bucket and had a few holes here and there 😬 Heard a dit about a OD wire brushing rust off the inside of the hull during chipping and painting, and put his brush through the side. yeah I heard about that as well... (would not surprise me if it was true...)  |
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Post by thebrads on Oct 31, 2019 5:26:54 GMT 12
Heard a dit about a OD wire brushing rust off the inside of the hull during chipping and painting, and put his brush through the side. yeah I heard about that as well... (would not surprise me if it was true...)Â On CY in her last years a survey was done after concerns were raised. Nek minnit she was in dry dock with the side of the boiler room cut out to replace the hull plating. I recall being in the boiler room one day looking out at the sky, which made a nice change from knowing i was usually underwater. I was also in Waikato once when a paint thickness survey was done. (I.e. how much paint builds up after 30 years of service) I recall the results were directly proportional to how easy a particular part of ship was to reach. |
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 31, 2019 15:54:31 GMT 12
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Post by exkiwiforces on Oct 31, 2019 16:18:41 GMT 12
Well regardless I most definitely remember hearing a radio DJ say it was about a tour on an RNZN frigate. Like most things radio DJ's say it was probably bullshit. Probably on Southland it was a rust bucket and had a few holes here and there 😬 I was once told from an ex pirate who was an bosun (in the gunnery branch) on the Southland, it had that much concrete in it that an Exocet or a Torpedo would’ve bounced off her if she ever got into a two way range. |
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Post by dgd911 on Nov 21, 2019 16:19:46 GMT 12
Just reading the details about Aotearoa and it’s helicopter landing platform plus hangar facility. Apparently It’s for an NH90 although capable of Chinook. I assume also a Seasprite but then the question arose if there are actually enough Seasprites available to provide at least one for the current ships that have helicopter facilities.
Two frigates, two OPV, Canterbury (two Seasprites?) and Aotearoa. That’s six or seven needed out of a fleet of eight, or is it nine or ten? Also the nzaf NH90s are not marinised so could they be used at sea?
Also note the Seasprites are EOL in late 2020s just when the second MRV or LPD or LHD is due to enter service. Has there been any info from NZDF concerning our future needs for naval helicopters?
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Post by dgd911 on Nov 21, 2019 16:21:30 GMT 12
Oops, forgot about the SOPV due in mid 2020s, wont that need a Seaprite or NH90 as well?
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Post by gibbo on Nov 21, 2019 17:06:31 GMT 12
Oops, forgot about the SOPV due in mid 2020s, wont that need a Seaprite or NH90 as well? That's about right for capacity but it'd be a rare day the whole fleet was at sea & all simutaneously requiring choppers. Besides it basically comes down to what Govt is prepared to pay & choppers aren't cheap. At least the SH2G replacement is being signalled in the DCP... perhaps they'll look for 5 combat capable & a similar number of utility for patrol, SAR, HADR etc. Anyone's guess at this stage. |
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 21, 2019 17:06:33 GMT 12
Yes, new helicopters are also in the plan.
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Post by dgd911 on Nov 21, 2019 18:02:03 GMT 12
Oops, forgot about the SOPV due in mid 2020s, wont that need a Seaprite or NH90 as well? That's about right for capacity but it'd be a rare day the whole fleet was at sea & all simutaneously requiring choppers. Besides it basically comes down to what Govt is prepared to pay & choppers aren't cheap. At least the SH2G replacement is being signalled in the DCP... perhaps they'll look for 5 combat capable & a similar number of utility for patrol, SAR, HADR etc. Anyone's guess at this stage. I’d agree about the whole helicopter capable fleet being at sea at same time. It still looks like a shoestring operation though since from a fleet of eight SH2G it’s likely some will be undergoing maintenance/servicing and one or more used for crew training. Then that means ships going to sea that could use a chopper but nothing is available. As they get older and closer to EOL this availability may get worse. I’ll remain optimistic that we will hear from govt soon(ish) about new choppers. |
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Post by nighthawknz on Nov 21, 2019 20:58:18 GMT 12
Oops, forgot about the SOPV due in mid 2020s, wont that need a Seaprite or NH90 as well? DCP 2019 says the seasprites are due for replacing by then and they may increase the numbers on the new helo.. AOR HMNZS Aotearoa NH-90, Seasprite hangar and flight deck. MRV - NH-90, Seasprite hangar and flight deck. DHV Manawanui no hangar but flight deck can take the Seasprite so not for any long operation.... not sure if it can take NH-90...  and or to what sea state on a pitching forward deck Frigates, can land NH-90 on flightdeck unsure on hangar, but can obviously hangar Seasprite OPV's Seasprite hangar and flight deck. Future fleet SOPV at least Seasprite size hangar and flight deck. LPD At least a few NH-90 in hangar and proabably at least two for flight deck and operations but depends on vessel. We not allowed to speculate any more  As for current operations, it would be very rare for all vessels to be sailing at the same time "and" for all to require a Seasprite at the same time... but... and I say this cautiously at a stretch if all i's are dotted, and all t's are crossed, the winds are favorable, the technicians and mechanics have done all their jobs perfectly, spare parts are not a problem and the gods are smiling upon us then yes ... but realistically no... however since the NH-90 can use Canterbury and so will Aotearoa that alleviates some problem also there is the A109 which I am pretty sure have been cleared to operated off at least Canterburey etc... It would all depend on the operation required by the helo to which helo they take... Sea patrols you would want a marinsed helo like the Seasprite, but if it HADR the the NH-90 and or A109 can be transported and operate from a FOB. Canterbury just left Dunedin last week had a Seasprite as well as a NH-90 (which are now qualified to fly off Canterbury at sea) nighthawk.nz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1855:teamwork-in-southern-mission&catid=11&Itemid=111 heading down southy south somewhere |
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Post by beegeetee on Nov 27, 2019 10:55:26 GMT 12
Oops, forgot about the SOPV due in mid 2020s, wont that need a Seaprite or NH90 as well? DCP 2019 says the seasprites are due for replacing by then and they may increase the numbers on the new helo.. DHV Manawanui no hangar but flight deck can take the Seasprite so not for any long operation.... not sure if it can take NH-90... It can. See video at about 5:40: |
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Post by nighthawknz on Dec 10, 2019 16:54:57 GMT 12
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and or to what sea state on a pitching forward deck