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Post by ErrolC on Apr 10, 2018 12:54:00 GMT 12
Thanks for the nudge, just got refundable Friday night in Wagga - if I go we'll be staying in Canberra for a few days, and I'll pop away Friday and drive back on Saturday evening. Anyone interested in car-pooling? I'm happy to make generous contribution if I can avoid a two day car hire. |
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Post by colford on Apr 10, 2018 16:52:48 GMT 12
With the number of WONZ Forum Members getting seats for Warbirds Down Under in the Silver Stand, maybe they will have to rechristen it as the Silver Fern Stand?
ErrolC, sorry can't help with the car-pooling at this stage, I'm making this a three day going over to Temora from Canberra early on the Friday, overnighting in Wagga on Friday and Saturday, and coming back to Canberra later on the Sunday.
Regards.
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Post by aeromedia on Apr 21, 2018 7:32:33 GMT 12
Ok, let me declare first up that I'm a huge fan of HARS and the incredible collection of airworthy heavy props they've amassed at Albion Park.
So buying an airline ticket to fly across the Tasman to see the Airshow on their home patch is a no-brainer. Neptune, Connie, big Douglas props, Caribou, PBY, F27 etc etc.
But seeing the published display program and the fact it features not one - not one of the aircraft that sets them apart from the pack is frankly flabbergasting.
Makes not one jot of sense.
If you're not going to display at least a couple of your airworthy specimens at a major show at your very own base, then, . . What's the point?
And more curiously, what's at play here??? What the heck are they thinking?
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Post by planewriting on Apr 21, 2018 7:57:11 GMT 12
I couldn't agree more with Aeromedia's above comment. I had given thought to attending the 2019 show but after seeing what they planned to (and not) fly for the 2018 show I think I will give it a miss.
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 21, 2018 8:16:24 GMT 12
I had a quick glance at the list yesterday, and my first thought was 'oh, is the Cat not available for display after its engine issue?', but then saw that it was at the Canberra Airport Open Day. It hadn't registered that so much of the HARS stuff was missing. Spit + Hurri + Mustang + FW-190 formations are a bit distracting. www.wingsoverillawarra.com.au/page/flying-program |
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Post by aeromedia on Apr 21, 2018 8:39:26 GMT 12
I'd happily forego most that's on the programme just to see those heavy props in action.
Cos you don't see that everyday.
Simple rule here: "Do what makes you famous."
I'm looking toward to a ride on the merry-go-round though.
(They probably won't let me into their country after this).
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Post by Mustang51 on Apr 21, 2018 10:30:21 GMT 12
Pete, Did you receive my email? Ando
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Post by aeromedia on Apr 21, 2018 11:13:18 GMT 12
Yep I did Ando.
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Post by aeromedia on Apr 21, 2018 11:16:44 GMT 12
I know the walkthroughs of the HARS aircraft are valuable earners for them and fair enough. But they have 3 C47's. 3 Neptunes, 2 Boo's . . . Get my drift. There's plenty of airframes to go round.
I'm missing something here . . . I can't join the dots. It's weird. Frankly.
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Post by aeromedia on Apr 21, 2018 11:22:44 GMT 12
Here's a left field thought. I wonder if they've considered crowd funding "on the day" to see something big and special fly, as a "bonus crowd pleaser." Have a crew on standby, and electronically crowd fund with a running total via the commentators periodically. Some will say well we paid at the gate so fly it anyway, others will say "hell yes. Let me at it." Could be great to build a bit of drama on the day too. Just an out loud thought.
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Post by colford on Apr 21, 2018 12:04:12 GMT 12
Interesting discussion regarding the HARS lineup and flying participants for their Wings Over Illawarra Airshow. Having attended this event in the past one thing that stood out was the participation of the locally based Albion Park aircraft, both smaller types based and operating from the airport, plus the HARS 'heavy metal'. This usually encompassed the C-47s, Catalina, Neptune, and the Constellation - usually the show closer close to dusk so some hint of those magnificent exhaust flames could be seen. But in more recent events the flying by the HARS larger aircraft has been less in evidence, with smaller more nimble types taking the lead. I think part of the issue here is the available airspace to demonstrate the larger types. Given the build up around the airfield and surrounding area, that has to be putting some restrictions on what they can and cannot do. Their display routines have in the past tended to be rather straight forward flybys in different configurations whilst the smaller more nimble types put on their displays within the general confines of the airfield footprint. For the aviation enthusiast the flybys of the HARS 'heavy metal' was of interest, but to the general public punter some comments I overheard indicated their interest in the dynamic, noisy displays. So have HARS looked at the feedback from the public and made the program more heavily weighted towards the flying that keeps the general public entertained and drawing them through the gates, but losing what was drawing the aviation enthusiasts?
They have also had some aircraft serviceability problems that have added to pressures on their budget, plus flown quite a few hours this year already in support of other events that get them favourable coverage, more recently in support of their off-shoot Museum at Parkes that they are developing. Could they be conserving their aircraft for other commitments later in the year eg Warbirds Down Under at Temora, where they do get a lot of support from for their events so need to keep that relationship going with a good lineup of aircraft. Plus the airspace and type of flying program at Temora is more friendly for their aircraft type operations.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Post by colford on Apr 23, 2018 14:38:49 GMT 12
Confirmation today from Temora Aviation Museum that the Hawker Hurricane from Pays at Scone will be a participant at Warbirds Down Under at Temora in October.
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Post by colford on Apr 30, 2018 13:23:54 GMT 12
Returning to the posts regarding Wings Over Illawarra and the participation by HARS aircraft at what should be considered their "home" airshow, the following post from their Facebook page today - along with a number of others they have posted today about the event especially the additional trains being run and traffic control measures - shines some light on the change in the emphasis on this event.
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NEXT WEEKEND IS "WINGS"
Next weekend is the greatest annual airshow in Australia.!!!
And although HARS no longer run this fantastic event we are delighted to be a major participant with most of our museum and aircraft open for inspection.
Admission charges do apply for entry to most of our aircraft.
This is a fantastic video from the organisors Bright Productions showing highlights from WINGS 2017.
UNQUOTE
So the running of the event is being conducted by another organisation, HARS probably get a percentage of the gate as the host for the event and it would likely reduce their financial exposure if the event did not go as planned eg bad weather. If I recall correctly, some years back they did suffer a major bad weather event the weekend where the airshow was scheduled, so this may have precipitated the change in arrangements. They probably make the most direct revenue to their coffers to continue their work from the admission charges for people to go through their aircraft.
Regards,
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 30, 2018 13:37:00 GMT 12
Returning to the posts regarding Wings Over Illawarra and the participation by HARS aircraft at what should be considered their "home" airshow, the following post from their Facebook page today - along with a number of others they have posted today about the event especially the additional trains being run and traffic control measures - shines some light on the change in the emphasis on this event. QUOTE: NEXT WEEKEND IS "WINGS" Next weekend is the greatest annual airshow in Australia.!!! And although HARS no longer run this fantastic event we are delighted to be a major participant with most of our museum and aircraft open for inspection. Admission charges do apply for entry to most of our aircraft. This is a fantastic video from the organisors Bright Productions showing highlights from WINGS 2017. UNQUOTE So the running of the event is being conducted by another organisation, HARS probably get a percentage of the gate as the host for the event and it would likely reduce their financial exposure if the event did not go as planned eg bad weather. If I recall correctly, some years back they did suffer a major bad weather event the weekend where the airshow was scheduled, so this may have precipitated the change in arrangements. They probably make the most direct revenue to their coffers to continue their work from the admission charges for people to go through their aircraft. Regards, From the Show's FB page: |
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Post by mcmaster on Apr 30, 2018 14:08:27 GMT 12
Im going along with my nephew. Forecast looks OK max 22-24 both days and mostly sunny.
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Post by planecrazy on Apr 30, 2018 19:09:59 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Aug 16, 2018 10:31:30 GMT 12
There are now more Silver Stand tickets available for Temora, as they have decided to build an additional stand. Current line-up (including RAAF) - it will be good to see what is hopefully a more mature C-27 display than what we got at Omaka (and didn't get at Wanaka). Highlight for me in the below is the Hurricane, followed by Hudson, Meteor, Catalina. warbirdsdownunderairshow.com.au/what-aircraft-you-will-see/Confirmed aircraft for the 2018 airshow include: Spitfire Mk XVI, Spitfire Mk VIII, Cessna A-37 Dragonfly, Lockheed Hudson, CAC Boomerang, Tiger Moth, Ryan STM, Ryan PT-22, CAC Wirraway, Gloster Meteor, Cessna O-2A, Hurricane, P-51 Mustangs, P-40 Kittyhawks, Cessna O-1 Birddogs, Winjeels, NZAI CT-4s, T-28 Trojans, Southern Knights Aerobatic Team, Harvards, Russian Roolettes, Super Constellation, Catalina, and Caribou. We have also just received confirmation of RAAF assets attending, the are Roulettes (Display & Static), Hawk 127 (Display & Static), F/A-18 Classic Hornet (Display & Static), Air Force Simulator Experience, C-27J Spartan (Display & Static), C-130J Hercules (Static), C-17A Globemaster (Flypast), E-7A Wedgetail (Flypast). |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2018 11:30:03 GMT 12
There was a Spartan at Omaka? I don't even remember that.
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Post by ErrolC on Aug 16, 2018 11:44:55 GMT 12
There was a Spartan at Omaka? I don't even remember that. From memory there was a Friday practice, Saturday display, and went tech Sunday. As it was barely in service the display was understandably limited. Based at Woodbourne. And the interrupted start at Wanaka on the Saturday cancelled its slot - CASA-235 had that time on the Sunday.  RAAF C-27J welcome appearance by Errol Cavit, on Flickr |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2018 12:01:04 GMT 12
Ha, funny how you forget things. Not a warbird so not as important I guess.
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