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Post by Mark Griffin on Apr 25, 2019 14:32:56 GMT 12
Afternoon All, Have attached a few images of the show Regards Mark  Omaka 2019 FW 190..7 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 FW 190..8 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 FW 190..6 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 FW 190..5 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 FW 190..4 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 FW 190..3 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 FW 190..2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 FW 190..1 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18..7 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18..6 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18..5 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18..4 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18..3 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18..2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 F18..1 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Bristol Scout 2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 P.51 v V1. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Bristol Scout by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Bristol Scout .2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Yak 52.2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Yak 52.1 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Yak 52..3 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Yak 3.1 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Yak 3...5 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Yak 3...4 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Yak 3...2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Woman At War..5 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Woman At War..4 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Woman At War..3 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Woman At War..2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Woman At War..1 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Wicked Witch..1 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Venom..4. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Venom..3. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Venom..2. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Twilight Extreme..2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Venom by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Twilight Extreme..1 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire. FW190 2. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire. FW190 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire TR9 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire IX..5 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire IX..4 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire IX..3 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire IX..2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Spitfire FR XIVe by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Sopwith Pup.2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Sopwith Pup. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Seasprite.6 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Seasprite.5 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Seasprite.3 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Saluting Woman by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Saluting Woman .2. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Ryan STM S2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Pitts S 2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Pitts S by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Pioneer by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 P-51 Mustang.3. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 P-51 Mustang.2. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 P-51 Mustang.1. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 P-40N Kittyhawk.2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 P-40N Kittyhawk. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Kiwi Blue by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Harvards by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Fairchild by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Drug Drop by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Devon by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Devon .. Harvard by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 C.130H Hercules by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Bristol Freighter by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Beech 18 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 B.E,2 & Bristol Scout by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 B.E,2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Avenger by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Avenger . F.18. by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Avenger . F.18..4 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Avenger . F.18..3 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Avenger . F.18..2 by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Anson by Mark Griffin, on Flickr  Omaka 2019 Air Raid by Mark Griffin, on Flickr Omaka 2019 Venom by Mark Griffin, on Flickr |
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Post by baz62 on Apr 25, 2019 16:04:26 GMT 12
This one of the Hornet is gorgeous. Look at the vortices streaming off the front! |
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Post by baz62 on Apr 25, 2019 16:29:46 GMT 12
I for one thoroughly enjoyed the show and like Don it is the social aspect which I find a great part of the show for those in the aviation community be it large or small to meet either for the first time or again and catch up. I will however be much more wary of one Al Marshall who, sadly, with the eager assistance of my wife managed to scare the living daylights out of me with his fake Scorpion trick. If you are reading this Al........payback my friend.....see you in 2021! So a few more photos: Bill Reid has certainly learnt well from Dave Phillips as he threw his Anson around.  IMG_0283 (2) by Barry Tod, on Flickr  IMG_0282 (2) by Barry Tod, on Flickr The lighting during the Twilight Show was gorgeous here shining on the Be2  IMG_0323 (2) by Barry Tod, on Flickr Graeme Frew about to thrill a passenger on Friday. I got to chat with him just before this flight about Reno. He is looking for sponsorship to try and get the first race prepped Allison (that had to be changed due to oil pressure issues) to New Zealand so they can get it running better and run in. He remarked that his stock engine generated 31 inches of manifold pressure at full throttle. The race engine achieved that.........at half throttle!!! He said it wouldn't run continuously at full throttle as it would get way too hot but using the power at the right time, well who knows what this Yak and her pilot could achieve.  IMG_9888 (2) by Barry Tod, on Flickr Loved seeing the Pup fly and an Omaka built rotary up front courtesy of Classic Aero Machining.  IMG_0330 (2) by Barry Tod, on Flickr Hope you enjoyed those and I'll post some more later. |
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Post by baz62 on Apr 25, 2019 16:48:56 GMT 12
I would be very grateful to see any photos you guys took of the Avenger and Hornet in formation on the Saturday. Cheers Teresa has just finished going through her Saturday photos so I'll see if she got any worthy ones of these two. |
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Post by DragonflyDH90 on Apr 25, 2019 18:20:59 GMT 12
It was me flying the Anson, Bill was right seat as co.
Yak puts out about 51-52 inches at full throttle, depending on altitude.
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Post by davem2 on Apr 25, 2019 19:41:50 GMT 12
Top quality images Mark- kudos (oh - change Wolf to Wulf ) ;-)
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 25, 2019 19:44:41 GMT 12
Distinctive and excellent as always Mark.
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Post by markrogers on Apr 25, 2019 21:17:44 GMT 12
Excellent photos, thanks.
At the Saturday show I witnessed about 10 or so hats fly off heads all at once when Spitfire PV270 started up with large flames shooting out of the exhausts with a roar and a big propwash into the crowd standing right behind the spitfire! I had to chuckle when I saw all these hats blow off in the sudden propwash...
It seems that PV270 was primed quite a bit with a fair bit of throttle when it was started.
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Post by baz62 on Apr 26, 2019 16:23:51 GMT 12
Yak puts out about 51-52 inches at full throttle, depending on altitude. Ah right I must have misheard Graeme, thanks for the clarification. :-) |
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Post by Calum on Apr 27, 2019 11:39:30 GMT 12
A mate and I attended for the first time and we both thoroughly enjoyed the show. It was great to meet some of the people from the forum (Errol, Baz and Therese). It also turned into a mini reunion fr me as I caught up with a lot of people I'd not seen in ages. The atmosphere at eh show is certainly different from ones I've attended here in Australia, it was great to get a look around the day before and catch a heap of practices, that certainly was a bonus noting the Sunday was a wash out. The setting is excellent for photography with the Sun mainly behind you and the hills and vineyards provide a great backdrop. As someone else said arrive early and leave late and you'll have no traffic issues. The only disappointment, as mentioned earlier by some, was the lack of WW I aircraft compared to what was shown on previous days. That said Airshows are always hit and miss when it comes to what is flying so unless you're a local and can decide on the day whether to go, you always have to expect that. Aircraft highlights for me were the Fw 190, Anson and Spitfires, along with the Hornet, the Scout and Pup. The Hornet displays were excellent, as good as any I've seen here. I'll definitely be back. As for Photos I'm slowly uploading mine to Flickr You can see the album here but here's a couple so far  IMG_3993_edit by Calum Gibson, on Flickr  IMG_3819_edit by Calum Gibson, on Flickr  IMG_4029_edit by Calum Gibson, on Flickr  IMG_4132_edit by Calum Gibson, on Flickr  IMG_4378_edit by Calum Gibson, on Flickr  IMG_4557_edit by Calum Gibson, on Flickr |
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Post by shorty on Apr 27, 2019 15:12:45 GMT 12
was told that my name was mentioned over the PA system on Sunday morning but I didn't hear that bit, I was probably across at restoration row, can someone enlighten me as to what was said?
thanx
Nev
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Post by WillM on Apr 27, 2019 16:09:50 GMT 12
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Post by lumpy on Apr 27, 2019 18:14:19 GMT 12
was told that my name was mentioned over the PA system on Sunday morning but I didn't hear that bit, I was probably across at restoration row, can someone enlighten me as to what was said? thanx Nev Someome ( cant remember who it was ) was just saying that they had seen you in the bar Saturday evening and mentioned your involvement in the recovery of the P40 . |
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Post by lumpy on Apr 27, 2019 18:28:41 GMT 12
Enjoyed the show, but like others missed the Corsair and Fokkers. Awesome to see the Hornet though. Yes , Corsair and Fokkers would have been nice , but we did get FW190 and Mk14 Spitfire which can only be seen at Omaka , so I can cope . I think the only thing they need to do to sell out the next show is bring the hornet back !  |
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Post by baz62 on Apr 27, 2019 18:32:23 GMT 12
A mate and I attended for the first time and we both thoroughly enjoyed the show. It was great to meet some of the people from the forum (Errol, Baz and Therese). And it was great to meet you and Bruce too Calum. Oh and for future reference it's spelt Teresa...she gets grumpy if it's spelt wrong....women eh?  Hope you catch you over here again or perhaps when we get back to Aus for a holiday. Whereabouts are you these days? (I know you told us but hey I'm getting on a bit and memory is the first to go!) |
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 27, 2019 18:46:24 GMT 12
Enjoyed the show, but like others missed the Corsair and Fokkers. Awesome to see the Hornet though. Yes , Corsair and Fokkers would have been nice , but we did get FW190 and Mk14 Spitfire which can only be seen at Omaka , so I can cope . I think the only thing they need to do to sell out the next show is bring the hornet back ! Aim higher - F-35! Actually a decently energetic C-27 display, or a Poseidon would be nice. I couldn't hear the commentary well on Saturday (at the right-hand end of the crowd-line), but I assume the flypast of various GA aircraft (plus Gipsy and Tiger Moth) was saluting Women in NZ Aviation. Photos mainly from take-off, as the flypast was fairly high and not so photogenic.  Ladies' Parade Start by Errol Cavit, on Flickr  TRI-R Cruiser by Errol Cavit, on Flickr  Reliable C182 by Errol Cavit, on Flickr  Grumman American AA-5 ZK-EFT by Errol Cavit, on Flickr  AA-5 Away by Errol Cavit, on Flickr  Cherokee on Parade by Errol Cavit, on Flickr  Epic Gipsy Moth by Errol Cavit, on Flickr  Tiger on Parade by Errol Cavit, on Flickr |
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Post by flybynight on Apr 28, 2019 0:15:13 GMT 12
Hello everybody. Posting my thoughts on the recent Classic Fighters Airshow Firstly a big thanks to all the sponsors and volunteers. Without you we would not have an airshow. I have attended many Classic Airshows but felt this one was a bit "flat". My main reason for attending this time was to see the F18 and it certainly did not disappoint. Judging by the crowd on the Saturday, I would say they came to see the F18 as well. Pity about the weather on the Sunday....crowd would have been even bigger than the Saturday. Unfortunately I need to mention a few negatives. Where were all the "exhibitors" tents. Are the organisers charging too much rent? Not enough interest? Certainly a disappointingly small number of people flogging their wares etc. A friend of mine travelled a long way to see the "Wingnut Models" tent and was disappointed. By the way that same friend visited a collection of aircraft at Masterton? and was denied entry to the hangar and was not permitted to take any photographs of the World War 1 aircraft there.....and he just built one!.. Strange indeed. Gold pass holders normally have all the action in front of them, but some aircraft seemed to use Rwy 30 as the flight line...a small thing but they do pay the big money. I had problems with the car park. Being a long time visitor I knew the drill but was messed around by the paid Security and others like you wouldn't believe. Not enough space here to rave on about the parking and nearby roadways but the paid security should know their job. Which brings me to another question....why so many security people....we need professionals for the bag check at the only entrance, but what are all these other people doing? How much does it cost? I could go on, but this is probably enough to create some discussion. Will the show go on in 2 years? I hope so but I only give it a 50% chance. I always enjoy the show and go every 2 years. I see it as slightly casual and informal, which is good. You can get up close to all the aircraft and its always great to meet old friends, although not so many of them there this time. Again, thanks to the sponsors, volunteers and organisers. …..putting on my tin hat now to wait for response Hi All, very long time reader, first time poster. I didn't want to say anything for fear of being lynched but since someone else has said it, I will agree. I too have been to many airshows in NZ an many Classic fighters, which I believe is the best. However this year, I would agree with the description "flat". I also definitely noticed the lack exhibitors / trade tents. With what was there, hardly any of it was aviation related. This was a disappointment to me as I paid full price for the whole Friday where I would usually spend the better part of the day checking out all the ground exhibits but after arriving at 10 am I was done after an hour or so and nearly ended up going into town for the afternoon as there wasn't much flying going on either. (Though it must be mentioned that the evening show was outstanding) I also think the lack of toilets on Saturday was a blunder. You can never have too many toilets at a massive public event like this. The main issue though was the lack of aircraft. Where were all the TVAL aircraft ? The only WW1 stuff was that from Auckland and Omaka. Or even the OSRC aircraft ? Or anything from Masterton for that matter ? I get the feeling there is a bit of stuff going down with Masterton, I would be interested to know what's going on. It is sad that we can't all get along. How about the airforce ? Usually we would be delighted with a fantastic display from nearly every type. Hardly anything from them, this kind of even should be one of their biggest recruitment opportunities. Other missing aircraft; Nearly all WW1 stuff, P-40E, Corsair, BF108, Trojans, A-37, L-29s, Vampires, P-51 (wanaka based) L-39s, strikemaster, Dragonfly/Dominie/Moths etc There are probably more, and I'm not saying they should all be there but historically an Omaka or Wanaka airshow would have most of the warbird/vintage types in NZ attending. Aside from the unserviceable, what are some of the reasons for no-shows ? Are the aircraft costs still covered by the airshow ? I remember hearing a couple of Wanakas ago that the aircraft costs were no longer covered by the airshow hence a low turn out of aircraft. I don't know how true that is but I'm sure there are people here who do know. Is that now common practice ? I find it dificult to believe. I ferried a warbird to two WOWs many years ago and I'm almost certain that fuel was covered back then at least. I'm not trying to badmouth classic fighters and I don't mean to cause offense. I am extremely grateful that we even have airshows. The effort that goes into organizing and running these events is colossal, not to mention the risk thats taken on. I totally get that the lack of aircraft is probably out of their hands. It's just that I've noticed that our airshows in NZ have gone down hill from the peaks IMHO in the 2000s when there shouldn't really be any reason to not have growth each year. Is it just me ? What's going on ? How is the state of the warbird scene in NZ really ? |
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Post by blackgull on Apr 28, 2019 10:27:54 GMT 12
flybynight - you do raise many valid questions: some can be addressed quite easily, like toilet supply, others are much more difficult to answer. At its core is the reality that airshows in the last few years have, despite terrific resources and lots of thinking, lost money. A run of bad luck with the weather? Maybe. From some of your questions I can draw the inference that you are not aware of just how much it costs the organisers to display any of the V12's at the show, but think of around 20K each and you would be on the light side. There is the odd exceptional owner who does it for free because they support Classic Fighters' objective: to raise money for the museum. So there has to be some culling of potential aircraft, but this year, independently of the cost, many of those in your list were simply not available to the organisers: Corsair, P40E, P51, and the TVA collection, to name just a few. Jets have never really been part of the show, apart from the Venom whose owner is so generous. We also have the reality that while superb aircraft are restored here, their owners have imperatives for whipping them out of the country to display them in their own back yards. Classic Fighters deservedly has the reputation for innovation and every two years tries to be more entertaining with the aircraft it has, and the future looks very bright with the plethora being restored at the Omaka. Add to that more and different spectacle from the V1 and witches team, and it should be possible to find a formula that keeps the show affordable, entertaining, and profitable while meeting the onerous fixed costs including security, stands, parking, layout, and more toilets. But if you have a better formula, please post it here.
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Post by baz62 on Apr 28, 2019 17:57:17 GMT 12
So there has to be some culling of potential aircraft, but this year, independently of the cost, many of those in your list were simply not available to the organisers: Corsair, P40E, P51, and the TVA collection, to name just a few. The P51 was there, unless you meant the Wanaka based one? |
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Post by campbellbox on Apr 28, 2019 17:59:13 GMT 12
Not having attended this year, I can't comment on the toilets or exhibitors. I think it's fair to say from the photos on here (thanks for posting them everyone!) the show was decently populated by WWII warbirds with the WWI representation being lighter than usual, and the fast jet quotient at historically high levels. I was really pleased to see they had the FW-190 up and flying for the entire show. I was starting to worry it was somehow cursed.
The Masterton based P-40 and Corsair have been MIA for a while, so their absence was not surprising. I get the impression TVAL have decided to do with their collection what the Chariots of Fire collection is doing with the Mk XIV - they might be an Only at Hood attraction for the foreseeable future.
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