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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 21, 2020 12:30:25 GMT 12
Is there anyone out there who has Harvard NZ1044 in their own logbook, or in logbooks you own? I am trying to piece together some history on this Harvard for Bevan and any logbook entries and details would be great.
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Post by camtech on Mar 21, 2020 20:51:11 GMT 12
Quick note from my records:
13 Dec 43 2OTU 25 Jan 44; 9 Jun 44 2OTU 12 Jul 44; 2 Sep 44 2OTU 4 Sep 44; 7 Oct 44 2OTU 17 Apr 45; 18 Apr 45 2OTU; 16 Apr 56 Wig; 1 May 56 PTS 3 Dec 56;
Key is first recorded, unit pilot tied to, last recorded.
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Post by baz62 on May 10, 2020 14:12:58 GMT 12
Been hunting for photos of 1044 as I recall seeing her at Wigram at a Wings and Wheels airshow. Finally found one. They must have towed her from Harewood, they didn't bring her wings either. I'll keep looking through my photo stash in case I took more as the crowd is rather spoiling the view!  NZ1044 by Barry Tod, on Flickr |
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Post by shorty on May 10, 2020 20:18:43 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 26, 2020 8:39:29 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 26, 2020 8:43:06 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 26, 2020 10:32:34 GMT 12
Now here is something you won't see in the Stuff article.  Bevan has discovered a fair bit of graffiti in the nooks and crannies of the Harvard so far, and this one discovered when the flap was removed really made us laugh.   So we've deduced that the final line seems to be Fijian language. From what I discovered Qasenivuli means teacher, and Google found that Veicai is a "vulgar swearword" in Fijian. Naturally we are wondering exactly what that vulgar swearword means, and if anyone here speaks fluent Fijian and can provide a literal translation. Also does anyone here happen to know who wrote it? It would be great to tell them that their handywork many, many years ago was not in vane, as it will indeed fly again.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 26, 2020 12:32:01 GMT 12
Does anyone happen to have a complete list of the pilots who flew with No. 3 (Canterbury) Squadron in the late 1940's and 1950's? I am trying to piece together the history of Harvard NZ1044 for its owner Bevan. NZ1044 served with the squadron although I am unsure what dates it joined and left the unit.
While I have found lots of logbook entries for when NZ1044 was flying in WWII at No. 2 (Fighter) Operational Training Unit, I have absolutely no data on the aircraft's career postwar. All we know is it served with PTS or CFS at Wigram apparently, and also with No. 3 (Canterbury) Squadron. I'd like to find any pilot who flew NZ1044 or anyone who owns their logbooks now, to get copies of any pages showing NZ1044 being flown.
The only names I know of so far for pilots who flew in this squadron are as follows:
No. 3 (Canterbury) Squadron TAF
S/Ldr James Richard Maling AFC , AE NZ2459 Squadron Commander
S/Ldr Raymond Jack Nelson Archibald DFC, AE, mid. NZ416435 Squadron Commander
Pilot Officer Joseph Michael McGloin NZ431085 Killed 1950 Harvard
John Robert Loughnan Campbell NZ41872 Killed 1954
Vernon Charles Duckmanton NZ4211871 Killed 1952 Mustang
Peter Travis Norman NZ432833
Can anyone here add names of the squadron pilots? And are any of them still around? Or can anyone help find logbooks or logbook entries for NZ1044 at any of the units it served on please?
Did any of our older RNZAF pilots here learn to fly in NZ1044 at Wigram or elsewhere before it retired in 1958?
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Post by planecrazy on Aug 6, 2020 18:06:16 GMT 12
Now here is something you won't see in the Stuff article. Bevan has discovered a fair bit of graffiti in the nooks and crannies of the Harvard so far, and this one discovered when the flap was removed really made us laugh. So we've deduced that the final line seems to be Fijian language. From what I discovered Qasenivuli means teacher, and Google found that Veicai is a "vulgar swearword" in Fijian. Naturally we are wondering exactly what that vulgar swearword means, and if anyone here speaks fluent Fijian and can provide a literal translation. Also does anyone here happen to know who wrote it? It would be great to tell them that their handywork many, many years ago was not in vane, as it will indeed fly again. I have a friend who is fluent in Fijian and she translate this text as "F---ed teachers here." Maybe someone wasn't so happy with his boss? |
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Post by shorty on Aug 7, 2020 21:32:41 GMT 12
Quote:"Also does anyone here happen to know who wrote it? It would be great to tell them that their handywork many, many years ago was not in vane, as it will indeed fly again.",
not only that, but it wasn't in vain either!
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Post by nuuumannn on Aug 8, 2020 13:58:15 GMT 12
Oh yeah, haha. I thought it sounded wrong when I wrote BARM. Yeah, it's cos you wrote Barf, it should be Balf...  |
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Post by davidd on Aug 9, 2020 12:05:07 GMT 12
I suspect some confusion here nuuumannn .... And I think Barf has always been Balf, or am I kidding myself?
David D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 9, 2020 14:07:49 GMT 12
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Post by nuuumannn on Aug 9, 2020 17:08:40 GMT 12
A simple play on words... Dave Duxbury gets it!
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Post by shorty on Aug 9, 2020 18:58:33 GMT 12
My understanding was that Harvards for 3 TAF at Wigram were drawn from the Harvard pool at Wigram "as required" each weekend or camp and this why you don't see 3 Squadron chequers on Harvards, only on their Mustangs
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Post by tbf25o4 on Aug 10, 2020 9:42:06 GMT 12
Shorty you are correct, I made note of this in my book SEEK AND DESTROY there was plenty of written correspondence from the files stating that 3 squadron would draw Harvards from the pool at
Wigram as required. Hence no sqn checkers
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 24, 2021 10:21:25 GMT 12
Bevan was just looking through a box of manuals that came with Harvard NZ1044, and he came across this photo stuck inside. It shows NZ1044 at the Air New Zealand training facility. We wondered if anyone recognises the staff or trainees? The haircuts look to be late 1980's or early 1990's?  |
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Post by Mustang51 on Dec 24, 2021 11:21:22 GMT 12
Davidd, Any chance of obtaining a high definition complete colour copy of that BALM 1942 Handbook you have mentioned (or any others you may have? I have a specific interest in this subject of colours and need all the help I can obtain with a current project as well as ongoing research. Trying to obtain matches or just written data from the manufacturers is extremely difficult. Understand that colours are not the same from copies of pics or photocopies as they (unlike the originals) rely of different pigments. If possible to obtain please PM me ref the 'necessaries'.
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Post by Mustang51 on Dec 24, 2021 11:22:49 GMT 12
Kiwi285, Guessing your reference colour sheet is from "British Aviation Colours of World war Two" produced by the RAF Museum? Can you confirm please? Cheers
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Post by davidd on Jan 13, 2022 13:00:00 GMT 12
Mustang51,
The BALM publication is in black and white, so no attempt had been made to show actual colours of the described paints. I think the first time you would get an idea of the colour was when you opened the tin! Main value of the book is that it gives all products produced at the time of publication, and has stores reference numbers, catalogue numbers, specification numbers, the official names of the colours as understood at the time, and preparation and application advice.
David D
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Bevan has discovered a fair bit of graffiti in the nooks and crannies of the Harvard so far, and this one discovered when the flap was removed really made us laugh.
