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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 24, 2020 18:40:42 GMT 12
What/who is the crest above the fin flash? We are not sure but i will post some better photos of the crest and see if anyone can give us any information. The vertical fin is from another harvard. 68 didnt wear a day glo scheme |
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Post by NZ1009 on Aug 24, 2020 21:42:04 GMT 12
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Aug 25, 2020 7:32:55 GMT 12
Quite the centre of attention!
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 25, 2020 7:40:35 GMT 12
Those are some cool photos thankyou i have seen a couple of them but never seen the other ones.
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Post by NZ1009 on Aug 25, 2020 9:57:39 GMT 12
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Post by davidd on Aug 25, 2020 10:55:41 GMT 12
NZ1009 is of course totally correct! In the first version of the book "Aircraft of the RNZAF" I had no opportunity to check the captions before it went to the printers, which were devised by "The three Ross's (Macpherson, Ewing and Dunlop). I was rather astonished to read in the caption for a photo of some Harvards in formation, that the crest on the tails was that of the University of Canterbury! Pretty certain this was written by Mr Macpherson, and having spent considerable time with him, I know he was one of the nicest and kindest fellows that have ever lived, and his teaching degree was obtained at guess where! The funny thing was, that image was so small that you could barely see the outline of the crests, let alone the inner detail, so it was hardly worth pointing this detail out anyway!
I seem to recall another boo boo in the caption department of that book which used a photo of a FAA Seafire (Merlin engine) visiting NZ from INDEFATIGABLE in November 1945, but the rest of us aviation nuts know that the RNZAF's Seafire XV (Griffon engine) was very recognisable as such, with that enormous nose and spinner, etc. That caption made me wince too.
Incidentally, the symbolism on the Christchurch City crest is pretty basic, and is really an acknowledgement of the roots of its early history, and source of its wealth in those days: the two rivers which wend through it, plus a (hapless) dead lamb (did they really hang them like that in the 1880s?) and a stook of wheat, plus VERY symbolic representation of the first four ships. The two pukekoes propping the whole edifice upright are as good a choice as any, but a Kiwi on top probably not so typical of the city (but perhaps scratching around on Banks Peninsular in very early days). Sometimes I really do go on a bit.
David D
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Post by errolmartyn on Aug 25, 2020 12:38:58 GMT 12
. . . plus a (hapless) dead lamb (did they really hang them like that in the 1880s?). . . David, According to a well-known source (aka a certain Monty Python sketch), it's just resting! Errol |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 25, 2020 13:09:42 GMT 12
You forgot the knight's helmet and the daisies.
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Post by baz62 on Aug 25, 2020 18:09:32 GMT 12
Hope you keep that scheme Nick. Love to see a Harvard in Territorial colours. Looks great. Currently only NZ1052 is wearing TAF colours I think. And the Mustang of course. |
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 26, 2020 7:38:59 GMT 12
We are still not sure what colours to paint her. But have plenty of time to pick one.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 26, 2020 9:41:11 GMT 12
Raspberry Ripple scheme Nick  |
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Post by Mustang51 on Aug 26, 2020 10:19:49 GMT 12
Like that territorial scheme.....did it ever wear that fin badge in service.....will be a bear to reproduce by hand !
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 26, 2020 10:37:19 GMT 12
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 26, 2020 18:44:32 GMT 12
I think the vertical fin is from 1024 as it has those number painted on one of the ribs.
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Post by agalbraith on Aug 26, 2020 20:14:11 GMT 12
So nice to see 1068 getting so much attention lavished on her after all these years! Thanks for taking the time to update us, much appreciated
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 27, 2020 9:49:42 GMT 12
I would upload some more progress pics but flikr doesnt seem to be working. Keep getting file invalid.
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Post by davidd on Aug 27, 2020 19:23:03 GMT 12
Dave H, there was no PTS (Pilot Training Squadron) at Wigram in the 1950s, in fact that name did not come into use till about January of 1966 (at same time as the Stations became Bases, Operations and Training [later Support]Groups were created, and Whenuapai and Hobsonville were "merged" as RNZAF Base Auckland). Also the original NATS (Navigation and Air electronics Training Squadron, think I got that right!) came into existence at Wigram at the same time. I think PTS was originally known (from some time in mid-1950s) as "A" Flight of the Flying Wing. Most of this sort of historical detail is now all but forgotten, SOOOOO long ago.
David D
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 27, 2020 19:23:23 GMT 12
Ok finally got flikr to work. Here is a pic of the rear fuse that had the damaged skins and bulkhead. We have removed the vertical fin attach bracket and the damaged bulkhead and tail wheel oleo. so far we havent found anything majorly wrong just the usual surface corrosion between lap joints. The tail wheel oleo is in beautiful condition and just needs to be stripped apart and freshened up with seals and fluid 41.  Generated from my Samsung SM-A305GN using tools.sportscard.trade |
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Post by tbf25o4 on Aug 28, 2020 8:41:12 GMT 12
David is correct in that the organisation name changes occurred in the mid 1960s. In late 1965 with the formation of the two Groups "Operations and Training" the flying training elements at
Wigram took on new names and functions. Prior to NATS navigator and signaller training was carried out by the Air Navigation School (ANS), with the forthcoming introduction of the Orion (1966) the
training of "signallers" took on a new expanded role and the Electronics Operator/Officer branches were created, and NAETS was formed Later with the incorporation of ground comms operator training, NATS as it became known became NATTS.
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Post by baronbeeza on Aug 28, 2020 10:21:33 GMT 12
That last change of name for NATTS must have occurred about 1983 possibly 84. The Squadron boss during the mid 80's would have been either Dave Geddes, 'Knees' Gardiner or Bill Sommer. Kevin Jones was COFTW about that time.
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