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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 28, 2020 10:57:49 GMT 12
Dave H, there was no PTS (Pilot Training Squadron) at Wigram in the 1950s... David D Quite right. in 1950 it was still No. 1 Flying Training School, as it had been in WWII. |
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Post by camtech on Aug 28, 2020 12:16:37 GMT 12
Craig Inch and Pete Stockwell were two OC's at NATTS while I was there 84-87.
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 28, 2020 20:54:34 GMT 12
On track gents seem to have wondered. Tomorrow i will get some fresh pics up if the weather behaves. We are going to start paint stripping the outside of the rear fuse and removing loose paint from the inside. We should find some historic numbers painted on the fuse so i will keep you all posted.
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Post by baronbeeza on Aug 28, 2020 21:21:32 GMT 12
Modern paint strippers take the whole lot off in one go. We see the stripper working from the base metal outwards as opposed to working inwards, layer by layer. It may depend on what you want to do. Normally it all comes off within hours now, not so much labour involved either.
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 28, 2020 21:39:54 GMT 12
This stuff is hard to get off. Most paint strippers struggles to get it off including paragon and when it does it strips layer by layer thats how i found 68 painted on the side panels when i stripped them. Mek rips off the last little bits that are left behind.
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Post by baronbeeza on Aug 28, 2020 22:46:16 GMT 12
We have used the new generation strippers and paint products for almost 20 years. I couldn't imagine going back to the old school stuff and that includes the acid etch and alodine processes. The hydrogen peroxide stripper is a world away from those earlier products. Another advantage is that it hates water and is easily neutralised when done. Some paints put up more of a fight but that older stuff should almost fall off, indeed it probably would. rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/23096/aircraft-easy-work-on?page=2 |
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Post by hrvd1068 on Aug 30, 2020 11:20:35 GMT 12
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Post by davidd on Aug 30, 2020 11:29:38 GMT 12
Harking back to the origin of NATS and then NATTS, I believe it was the late Cliff Jenks who inspired that final designation, as outlined by Paul, probably when Cliff was holding the post at Defence HQ of "Director of Operations", although this is just an inspired guess. Incidentally the first "T" in NATTS indicated "Telecommunications", thus resulting in probably the longest name of any RNZAF unit, ever! "Navigation, Air Electronics and Telecommunications Training Squadron". This designation came into force as from 22nd April, 1983, per AFO T.87 1983, dated 9/12/83. Incidentally, another (little known) RNZAF sub-unit unit came into existence at about this time, introduced by same RNZAF Order. This was OSMU, standing for "Operational Software Maintenance Unit", which was established under the Maritime/Operations Wing of RNZAF Base Auckland. Perhaps a sign of the times.
David D
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Post by agalbraith on Aug 30, 2020 12:14:25 GMT 12
Good call Nick....looks far more interesting than tying on stringers that I am doing.... Thanks for the update |
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Post by baz62 on Aug 30, 2020 12:33:06 GMT 12
Now there's a familiar sight. We reskinned the upper and lower skins on NZ1040, the two side skins were in very good nick so left them in place. We took the opportunity to strip and clean the interior to bare metal, bead blast and painted with I think zinc chromate. |
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Post by hrvd1068 on Sept 1, 2020 10:52:24 GMT 12
Does any one know the paint codes used on harvards like the silver and yellow
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Post by Mustang51 on Sept 1, 2020 11:30:28 GMT 12
Nice to have these two JS inspired threads to follow
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Post by Mustang51 on Sept 1, 2020 11:32:50 GMT 12
Hope all those markings have been measured to within an inch of their life...
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Post by Bruce on Sept 1, 2020 12:51:01 GMT 12
Hope all those markings have been measured to within an inch of their life... actually, you'd want a higher level of accuracy than that!  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 1, 2020 13:41:59 GMT 12
Does any one know the paint codes used on harvards like the silver and yellow Nathan Bosher (aka 'Barf') at the Air Force Museum of New Zealand is the man to talk to about that sort of thing. He is the museum's Safety And Surface Technician, and he has an archive with all the original drawings and a deep knowledge of the various paint schemes. He is the go to guy for all the RNZAF aircraft restorations. His email is nathan.bosher@airforcemuseum.co.nz |
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Post by davidd on Sept 1, 2020 13:46:35 GMT 12
hrvd1068,
Do not understand your request, do you mean the RNZAF's stores/reference numbers for the various paints, the official names of the colours as such, or the colours used by the four TAF squadrons for their "checkerboard" markings?
David D
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Post by hrvd1068 on Sept 1, 2020 19:29:56 GMT 12
Hope all those markings have been measured to within an inch of their life... The scheme we are going with is totally different to the paint scheme in the photo but i have taken measurements of the existing scheme any way for future reference. |
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Post by hrvd1068 on Sept 1, 2020 19:32:22 GMT 12
hrvd1068, Do not understand your request, do you mean the RNZAF's stores/reference numbers for the various paints, the official names of the colours as such, or the colours used by the four TAF squadrons for their "checkerboard" markings? David D Yea sorry bit vague on my question. Im after possibly the name or colour code of the silver base colour and the rnzaf trainer yellow they would of used for the 50's scheme with yellow bands on wings and fuse |
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Post by Mustang51 on Sept 2, 2020 10:45:14 GMT 12
Now that shall look very nice indeed. Something about the clean crisp lines of the silver and yellow.....
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Post by davidd on Sept 2, 2020 17:29:07 GMT 12
The yellow colour used on Harvards/Devons/Vampire Trainers in 1950s was certainly quite different from the matt, wartime colour. I recollect that this post-war colour was quite light, and glossy - there was the remains of such a Harvard on the fire dump at Wigram in mid-1960s, think it was 1014. There was also Devon 1830 on this dump at same time, had the day-glo orange rear fuse, and outer wings, but also had yellow wing bands, must have been caught out by the accident before the change-over was completed.
David D
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