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Post by tfly on Jun 29, 2022 19:06:40 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 29, 2022 19:22:40 GMT 12
NZ7571 Rolled out 16 December 1992. First flight 22 January 1993.
NZ7572 Rolled out 27 March 1993. First flight 15 April 1993.
Someone cannot count...
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Post by madmac on Jun 29, 2022 19:32:23 GMT 12
is 70 million really a lot. 757 parts market is going to be pretty tight given the airframe age and lack of retirements. Heavy check for a civilian 757 10 years ago was 6 mill, given the exclusion from civilian market for core swaps for overhaul etc, its going to jump up quite a bit even before inflation.
As for the fault rate, the best fix would be the RNZAF getting a freight contract and flying 12 hours a day everyday, nothing worse for old airliners than sitting on the hardstand all week.
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Post by madmac on Jun 29, 2022 19:33:36 GMT 12
NZ7571 Rolled out 16 December 1992. First flight 22 January 1993. NZ7572 Rolled out 27 March 1993. First flight 15 April 1993. Someone cannot count... I suspect they lost the "when purchased by the RNZAF". |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 29, 2022 19:37:10 GMT 12
That doesn't work either. The RNZAF has owned them for nearly two decades though.
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Post by McFly on Jun 29, 2022 20:00:22 GMT 12
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Post by alanster on Jun 29, 2022 21:58:47 GMT 12
RAAF and RAF have the MRTT (converted A330s) KC30 Tankers which are also convertible to VIP transport.
Another option is to buy a second-hand B777 from Air New Zealand and convert it for the airforce. Can operate as a strategic airlifter in its spare time.
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Post by phil on Jun 30, 2022 0:00:19 GMT 12
Tanker would be compatible with the P-8A.
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Post by womble47 on Jun 30, 2022 9:15:51 GMT 12
My suggestion is to buy a couple of P-8 airframes and fit removable interiors .That would cut down the aircraft types and would allow for cannibalization to allow the P-8 to keep operating
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Post by retiredav8r on Jun 30, 2022 10:24:16 GMT 12
You just have to look at who is complaining. They should change their political party name to 'The NZ wacko party' They completely don't know anything about aircraft, my private aircraft is always having maintenance done, just like the other aircraft in NZ, just like every car, truck. They only complain because they have a problem with sexism and not being in the spotlights.
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Post by ErrolC on Jun 30, 2022 12:42:11 GMT 12
My suggestion is to buy a couple of P-8 airframes and fit removable interiors .That would cut down the aircraft types and would allow for cannibalization to allow the P-8 to keep operating Non-MAX B737 are only being built for P-8As and E-7s, and the production is spoken for well in advance - the USAF is facing a long delay before they can get modified (from UK spec) Wedgetails, the time to design and test the modifications will not impact the delivery dates as they currently stand. There are also substantial mods to build a P-8A, putting in a bomb bay isn't simple. breakingdefense.com/2022/05/lawmakers-press-air-force-on-speeding-up-purchase-of-boeing-e-7-wedgetail/ |
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Post by madmac on Jun 30, 2022 16:40:38 GMT 12
My suggestion is to buy a couple of P-8 airframes and fit removable interiors .That would cut down the aircraft types and would allow for cannibalization to allow the P-8 to keep operating Non-MAX B737 are only being built for P-8As and E-7s, and the production is spoken for well in advance - the USAF is facing a long delay before they can get modified (from UK spec) Wedgetails, the time to design and test the modifications will not impact the delivery dates as they currently stand. There are also substantial mods to build a P-8A, putting in a bomb bay isn't simple. breakingdefense.com/2022/05/lawmakers-press-air-force-on-speeding-up-purchase-of-boeing-e-7-wedgetail/I seem to recall the Base airframe is built and then flown to the P-8 conversion line, we could take the spares NH90 route order airframe just receive it before they chop it up to put the bomb bay in. There is probadly a USN market for P-8 combie. A main deck cargo door would present a couple of issues but nothing too major (P-8 has a different window belt structure to a stock 737NG, I believe but cabin pressurization hasn't changed). |
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Post by chasper on Jun 30, 2022 19:25:18 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 30, 2022 19:55:18 GMT 12
How about the politicians all take airliners, and buy more Hercs for the troops?
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Post by delticman on Jun 30, 2022 20:07:54 GMT 12
How about the politicians all take airliners, and buy more Hercs for the troops? Too slow |
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Post by snafu on Jul 24, 2022 11:35:50 GMT 12
How about the politicians all take airliners, and buy more Hercs for the troops? I imagine that would entail having problems with secure comms going commercial flights Well im hoping that the 757 have secure comms links on them |
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Post by retiredav8r on Jul 24, 2022 12:30:39 GMT 12
How about just leaving things just as they are. the aircraft is getting good use, the crews are current. remember this is rinky dink NZ, we don't need the biggest, flashiest, most expensive. I don't recall many politicians flying around the world in the ship, yes the PM and ministers, but not every dogs body.
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Post by fiftythree on Aug 8, 2022 20:00:05 GMT 12
My suggestion is to buy a couple of P-8 airframes and fit removable interiors .That would cut down the aircraft types and would allow for cannibalization to allow the P-8 to keep operating There's already a milspec 737 pax/cargo variant as well pax/VIP variant. Look up C40. |
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Post by fiftythree on Aug 8, 2022 20:11:37 GMT 12
The biggest challenge to replacing the B757 is finding something that has pax, cargo and VIP cabilities. Ideally it's an off the shelf product as lengthy and costly bespoke modifications haven't been efficient over the last two decades. Size is also an issue. Too big and it can't get into a few places in the South Pacific that the politicians need to be showing face in, and the NZDF regularly exercises and operates in. Too small and it hasn't got the legs or capacity to do what's currently expected. It's going to be a tough call but I can see a capability being dropped in favour of reliability. A lease option would be best as there's no point in owning aircraft that aren't deployed into non permissive environments.
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Post by phil on Aug 8, 2022 22:16:07 GMT 12
How about the politicians all take airliners, and buy more Hercs for the troops? Herc and 757 fulfil different roles. 757 is strategic airlift. Herc is tactical. C17 would be the best bet for strategic airlift, but MRTT would make more sense in that it can refuel the P8. |
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