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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 17, 2023 9:58:07 GMT 12
One miracle at a time, please.
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Post by tbf2504 on Jun 17, 2023 12:56:35 GMT 12
Great Dave, if they can complete both examples it will be a world first?
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Post by gibbo on Jun 17, 2023 16:30:41 GMT 12
I think the intention is two complete ones Paul. Great news, the big plus it means the Vinnie isn't heading offshore! Certainly hope the long-term plan is to complete (& retain) both the Vincent & Vildebeest... I'd be curious to know if this is a long-term loan arrangement or a transfer of ownership? |
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jun 18, 2023 9:09:31 GMT 12
On loan I believe.
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Post by gibbo on Jun 18, 2023 17:31:55 GMT 12
No problem with a loan, it'll be a great way to demystify the intricate framework & other aspects of NZ102's rebirth, clearly the Wigram team are very motivated to get their Vildebeest completed. On the topic of loaned aircraft, always wondered how the 'long-term loan' arrangement with the Oxford works... Canadian museum owns it, loans it to Wigram (who to be fair did all the heavy lifting of it's restoration includng some of their own parts) ...wonder if the Canadian museum can now come knocking & ask for it back!?! |
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Post by Antonio on Jun 18, 2023 23:23:22 GMT 12
No problem with a loan, it'll be a great way to demystify the intricate framework & other aspects of NZ102's rebirth, clearly the Wigram team are very motivated to get their Vildebeest completed. On the topic of loaned aircraft, always wondered how the 'long-term loan' arrangement with the Oxford works... Canadian museum owns it, loans it to Wigram (who to be fair did all the heavy lifting of it's restoration includng some of their own parts) ...wonder if the Canadian museum can now come knocking & ask for it back!?! From the AFM website: Link: www.airforcemuseum.co.nz/aircraft/airspeed-oxford/In 2000, the Air Force Museum of New Zealand entered into a long-term loan agreement with the Canada Aviation Museum for PK286. This allowed for the conversion back to its original Oxford configuration, bearing the colour scheme it would have worn when it first left the Airspeed factory. The restoration was completed in 2016 after 14 years and some 34,000 hours of work. In 2022, the Canada Aviation Museum formally gifted Oxford PK286 to the Air Force Museum of New Zealand collection. |
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Post by gibbo on Jun 19, 2023 8:59:16 GMT 12
No problem with a loan, it'll be a great way to demystify the intricate framework & other aspects of NZ102's rebirth, clearly the Wigram team are very motivated to get their Vildebeest completed. On the topic of loaned aircraft, always wondered how the 'long-term loan' arrangement with the Oxford works... Canadian museum owns it, loans it to Wigram (who to be fair did all the heavy lifting of it's restoration includng some of their own parts) ...wonder if the Canadian museum can now come knocking & ask for it back!?! From the AFM website: Link: www.airforcemuseum.co.nz/aircraft/airspeed-oxford/In 2000, the Air Force Museum of New Zealand entered into a long-term loan agreement with the Canada Aviation Museum for PK286. This allowed for the conversion back to its original Oxford configuration, bearing the colour scheme it would have worn when it first left the Airspeed factory. The restoration was completed in 2016 after 14 years and some 34,000 hours of work. In 2022, the Canada Aviation Museum formally gifted Oxford PK286 to the Air Force Museum of New Zealand collection. OMG, so the Oxford is here to stay... I dont know how I missed that little gem... that's realy made my week & it's only 9am on a Monday! She's a stunner! |
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Post by Damon on Jun 19, 2023 9:54:01 GMT 12
This will make a great exhibition at the museum. So many other people can marvil at its size and history.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 19, 2023 11:44:52 GMT 12
Exactly my feelings about it Damon. Now thousands of people will get to see this incredible aircraft which has been so beautifully restored by Steve and Don and the team. It is remarkable when you get up close to it and you realise what a massive monster it was. And yet when I had a chance to talk with pilots that flew them, they all described them as lovely, aerobatic and like a Tiger Moth to fly.
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Post by sputnik767 on Jun 19, 2023 18:27:06 GMT 12
I have been followed the Vincent since I first visited the Subritzky workshop at Dairy Flat over 20 years ago.
Seeing it in the container is a reflection of Steve's hard work and commitment to this project over this time and the resulting airframe shows the impressive growth in his skills.
I am by chance heading to Christchurch in July and am planning to take my son to the airforce museum at Wigrim, with a huge amount of excitement and anticipation.
At some point I must find my photo albumn and with Steve's consent, look at posting some of these photos in time.
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Post by gibbo on Jun 19, 2023 21:17:02 GMT 12
I have been followed the Vincent since I first visited the Subritzky workshop at Dairy Flat over 20 years ago. Seeing it in the container is a reflection of Steve's hard work and commitment to this project over this time and the resulting airframe shows the impressive growth in his skills. I am by chance heading to Christchurch in July and am planning to take my son to the airforce museum at Wigrim, with a huge amount of excitement and anticipation. At some point I must find my photo albumn and with Steve's consent, look at posting some of these photos in time. I've never had the chance to view the Vincent... generally speaking what remains to be done? Obviously the wings & tailplane need covering, but as to the rest I'd be keen to know. Perhaps the Wigram team will complete it as part of the loan agreement... dunno. Looking forward to an update on this from the museum themselves. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 19, 2023 22:58:48 GMT 12
The wings need rebuilding yet. That is just the centre section in the container!!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 19, 2023 23:02:06 GMT 12
As a reminder this is a photo Steve sent me in 2021.  |
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Post by Antonio on Jun 20, 2023 10:09:39 GMT 12
I don't get tired looking at that fantastic pic
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 20, 2023 10:19:46 GMT 12
It is rather awesome, isn't it?  People used to tease me about loving the Vildebeest and Vincent, but I think Steve's efforts are educating them as to how great the type was. |
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Post by baz62 on Jun 20, 2023 12:49:21 GMT 12
The wings need rebuilding yet. That is just the centre section in the container!! When I was at Wigram for the 100th celebration I noticed the restoration display included newly made spar material(with a sample of original spar). Typically British with two flat parts for top and bottom of the spar with a zig-zag made of little plates.....all riveted together. Can't recall if it was wing or elevator....possibly the latter. Don Simms you recall? |
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jun 20, 2023 17:48:27 GMT 12
Wing I think. Yes a very British design! Extremely complex to make but I guess was light weight and cutting edge for its day.
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Post by gibbo on Jun 20, 2023 18:39:53 GMT 12
The wings need rebuilding yet. That is just the centre section in the container!! When I was at Wigram for the 100th celebration I noticed the restoration display included newly made spar material(with a sample of original spar). Typically British with two flat parts for top and bottom of the spar with a zig-zag made of little plates.....all riveted together. Can't recall if it was wing or elevator....possibly the latter. Don Simms you recall? Various interesting snippets in this the updates on NZ102... there's definitely spar related chatter in there... the Vincent move has really sparked a lot of interest!  www.airforcemuseum.co.nz/collections-research/conserve/current-projects/vickers-vildebeest-mkiii/ |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 22, 2023 18:24:04 GMT 12
Here is a photo from Steve Subritzky of his very proud Mum, Robyn Subritzky, with the Vincent just before it went into the container the other day. Look how fantastic it looks, a lot of work has been done since I last saw it!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 12:45:25 GMT 12
Fantastic!
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