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Post by Bruce on May 29, 2008 8:29:31 GMT 12
I see the harvard isnt the only one with door trouble - LAT's pilot side door has opened about 2"....
Anyone know anything about "Fly My Sky"?
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Post by b10m on May 29, 2008 10:04:44 GMT 12
My favourite? Cessna Skywagon 180, so cool
I also wonder why the pilot of ZAT is thumping the panel?
Excellent pictures Colin, thanks
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Post by flyjoe180 on May 29, 2008 11:08:10 GMT 12
I saw that ZAT fist too. Must be an instructor having a bad day ;D
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Post by Bruce on May 29, 2008 11:33:50 GMT 12
Trying to stop the instrument panel rattling? (Common on 172s....)
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Post by flyjoe180 on May 29, 2008 11:37:19 GMT 12
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Post by sniff on May 29, 2008 11:39:05 GMT 12
NZ1052 What I cant understand is how did he miss the fact that it was open when he climbed up into the cockpit?  If someone else opened it after he was in the cockpit, then it would have been a known condition, surely, with two sets of eyes involved? How bizarre! |
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Post by flyjoe180 on May 29, 2008 11:43:18 GMT 12
The door hangs down, maybe it wasn't closed fully and the slipstream opened it?
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Post by sniff on May 29, 2008 12:46:01 GMT 12
I am sure I can see the door strut in place, latched to the little red lug on the fuselage behind the hatch. The shadow tends to confirm that.
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Post by sniff on May 29, 2008 20:55:31 GMT 12
To change the 1052 subject, slightly.
I notice the Harvard isn't sporting "solo weights".
Has some ballast been added elsewhere, and what is the effect on C of G with solo vs dual?
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Post by Damon on May 29, 2008 21:30:41 GMT 12
Sniff , I have been involved with 'Warbirds' off and on since 1990.I have never seen 'solo weights' on our Harvards.I cant recall either the Roaring Forties displays or any (WB) Solo routine with weights fitted to the Harvards. Will make enquiries and let you know.
Also common practice is to remove rear seat cushions and fasten all seat straps together and pulled tight to prevent anything untoward happening.
Common practice for WB but only 'recent ' for the RNZAF Harvard as Jim Rankin mentions in a recent article in Vector magazine.Cushion got caught between cockpit structure and rear cockpit control column with almost disastrous results.
Not the first time a Harvard has taken off with luggage locker door not secured either.
Damon
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Post by sniff on May 29, 2008 22:11:23 GMT 12
Très Interesting!
Standard procedure for solo back in'74 was: Solo Weights, Straps in rear locked (coz parachute stayed in the rear seat) and Rear control stick stowed in the starboard (or was it port? I think so) side of fuselage (presume the locating ring is still there???).
Havent seen the Vector article. Was the c/c in situ or stowed? Was that in NZ1015 or a civvy Harvard?
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Post by FlyingKiwi on May 29, 2008 22:58:30 GMT 12
I saw that ZAT fist too. Must be an instructor having a bad day ;D It's hard to have a good day in -ZAT, that plane is a pile of rubbish. I remember a while ago seeing "the plane" as an entry on the defect catalog.  Leo P. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 29, 2008 23:13:13 GMT 12
Damon, what's Vector magazine?
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Post by sniff on May 30, 2008 6:37:57 GMT 12
Dave, if I have got it right (coz I'm not a subscriber) it is the logical government department's safety magazine. It comes in multiple languages now, I believe, so kiwis can practice for the $99 test!
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Post by Kereru on May 30, 2008 9:07:11 GMT 12
A couple more from the same day. I haven't seen this Beechcraft before. Nice to catch something different.  Harvard approaching after one circuit.  Landing.  After all is secure it took off again and here is one as it retracts undercarriage after take off on 03.  Colin |
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Post by stu on May 30, 2008 11:01:09 GMT 12
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Post by Damon on May 30, 2008 20:22:01 GMT 12
Unfortunately I dont have the said magazine at hand at the moment .But I think the rear stick was in the stowed positiion.
As I understand from John Lanham in the Airforce days they were particular about dual and solo scenarios.So I guess flying solo, then have weights fitted.
John continues by saying that he flew the solo Red Checkers routine with solo weights fitted and full smoke tank .He also ferried Dual with weights and smoke tank.
The C of G was not sensitve and could be compensated with trims.
None of the WB Harvards I have seen or heard about have any weights fitted internally to compensate for Solo aerobatic weights. As for the RNZAF Harvard NZ1015 I dont know of any weights being fitted .So I guess that one question for the pilot next Airshow. I dont think the Harvard has really any C of G issues anyway.
Damon
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Post by sniff on May 30, 2008 21:24:02 GMT 12
Thanks Damon, I trolled back through a few, but couldnt find the article.
Agreed, the frame can be trimmed for most things, solo weights were probably designed for 8 to 10 hour novices in a 600hp beast. But then, how much experience do current Harvard pilots have, particularly during type qual?
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Post by Damon on May 30, 2008 22:03:41 GMT 12
Sniff ,finally found the article.CAA News/Vector July /August 2002. We're a bit off topic here.
'The control column was stowed, but seat cushon still in place.Controls moved normally left but met resistance when moved to right ie no movement beyond centre.'
Jim landed (Ohakea)with ' high control force to the right and near full rudder required.Touch down was quite nice ,but as aircraft slowed control authority was lost.' 'And veered a little left on runway'. Pilot and a/c OK.
The article is descriptive and quite long ,and I dont posses fanstastic typing skills.As mentioned the seat cushion was at fault and had lodged between control column stub and fuselage structure.
No mention of Solo weights in the article so can assume for time being that none are fitted.
Cheers!
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Post by sniff on May 31, 2008 9:26:46 GMT 12
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