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Post by shorty on Aug 21, 2011 20:21:37 GMT 12
Baz is right, it is a Harvard Tailplane. Hasn't been reskinned yet as the stringers are tack riveted and spot welded. After reskinning at No 1RD they were riveted. I did my "apprenticeship" on them and I am sure that Shorty did his share as well Sure did, my first posting at 1 RD was as SNCO i/c American Skin Bay. |
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Post by Tony on Aug 22, 2011 2:31:40 GMT 12
Seagrove was a dispersed airfield and its hangars were set back into hillsides I believe. Are they still there? Maybe they're full of Dauntless divebombers? I have been told by a driver of a Japanese floatplane that washed ashore at Waipapakauri and he had to pick it up on a Queen Mary and truck it down to Parnell where it disappeared into an RNZAF warehouse under much secrecy and guard. I tried to find more, and so did David Duxbury on my behalf, but no record exists of this. But it was so secret, perhaps no record was made. If it did happen, it probably was shipped to the USA for assessment. Ah, if the Dauntless was an INST airframe then the paint was possibly applied by aircraft finishers under training, and was not a genuine scheme of any type, just some masking and painting practice. Therefore possibly INST91 (Dauntless NZ5008), or INST92 (Dauntless NZ5018) or INST110 (Dauntless NZ5016). If we can find out if any of these three were sent to Woodbourne that will probably solve the mystery.
The AHSNZ magazine about the Dauntless has a profile drawing of NZ5018 in RAF style roundels. |
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Post by shorty on Aug 22, 2011 9:52:11 GMT 12
Just been going over this thread and I notice (on page 4) the photo that was posted of Catalina parts. In the photo that shows the gun blister there is a cardboard box. That structure behind the box looks like a Hind wing wuth its distinctive "8" shaped spars. The ribs are missing but the compression members are holding the spars together.
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Post by shamus on Aug 22, 2011 11:49:12 GMT 12
No Nev, definitely not a Hind wing. The one in the photo has tapered fittings at each end. the Hind wing only had the tapered bits at one end as the inner end of the spars attached to the centre section for the top wing and the fuselage fittings for the lower wing. I'm not familiar with the Catalina structure but it is probably the stabiliser minus a few ribs and fabric.
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Post by shamus on Aug 26, 2011 13:39:42 GMT 12
Have just had conversation with Don Subritzky and he says the tailplane with spars like the Hind is actually from a Walrus. That makes sense to me as i now remember seeing the section in a Walrus cutaway drawing.
He also said the twin engine plane recovered from Mr Gluyas yard was an Oxford and was taken by Ted Packer and Phillip Burns and given to the RNZAF Museum.
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Post by errolmartyn on Aug 26, 2011 15:29:52 GMT 12
Have just had conversation with Don Subritzky and he says the tailplane with spars like the Hind is actually from a Walrus. That makes sense to me as i now remember seeing the section in a Walrus cutaway drawing. He also said the twin engine plane recovered from Mr Gluyas yard was an Oxford and was taken by Ted Packer and Phillip Burns and given to the RNZAF Museum. Out of curiosity, would the above Mr Gluyas be the same man or related to the F(rancis) Gluyas (the only Gluyas in the WWII RNZAF) mentioned below (from Vol One of my For Your Tomorrow)? Sat 17 Jan 1942 Far East Enemy air raid on Singapore 205 Squadron, RAF (Seletar, Singapore) Catalina I Z2151/Y - at about 1100 two enemy fighters strafed the Squadron’s Catalinas moored at Seletar. Catalina ‘Y’ and another burst into flames and sank, while two others were badly damaged. Two airmen aboard ‘Y’ were killed during the attack, including a New Zealander whose body was later recovered and buried in the Bidadari cemetery, but later reinterred at Kranji. Also on board was LAC F Gluyas, RNZAF, who, although wounded, succeeded in swimming away from the sinking Catalina. (Flight Rigger): NZ391096 LAC Frank Frederick EDWARDS, RNZAF - Age 26. Errol |
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Post by curtiss on Aug 26, 2011 18:02:49 GMT 12
Different Gluyas. The person that had the Oxford was Henry Gluyas. He only got rid of the last engine from the Oxford about five years ago. He had a farm near the salt works and used to tell some very interesting stories about helping recover RNZAF aircraft that got stuck on the airfield when using the range. By the way, if anyone wants to start a Walrus project , I have a set of Walrus main U/C legs looking for a good home........  |
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Post by shorty on Aug 29, 2011 10:46:17 GMT 12
Well with the tailplane and legs located we only need the inbetween bits!
When Pete Coleman lived in Brian Barry St in Blenhiem he had a Pegasus IIM2 engine there with a four bladed Walrus prop on it.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 29, 2011 11:13:41 GMT 12
There's a float off a Walrus in Andy Moreland's museum too.
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Post by thomarse on Aug 29, 2011 21:17:16 GMT 12
I think we've got our Gluyas' well and truly mixed.
Unless there's a salt works at Morven (Waimate) the Oxbox Gluyas is nothing to do with my one.
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Post by shamus on Aug 31, 2011 20:50:52 GMT 12
Don Subritzky tells me, Francis Gluyas is Henry's cousin and owned NZ1287 (Oxford) which was transported by rail to Studholme Junction, Waimate, and he has photos of it on the rail and photos of the recovery by Burns and Packer. Will post photos later.
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Post by curtiss on Aug 31, 2011 21:42:20 GMT 12
Henry's farm was just across the road from the Grassmere salt works. The largest part of the Oxford that survived was one complete wing which ended up at Wigram.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 31, 2011 22:20:50 GMT 12
With all the parts of Oxford that Wigram collected over the years, plus the Canadian airframe they are restoring, would there be enough parts over for a second project?
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Post by av8rsm8 on Sept 4, 2011 20:15:17 GMT 12
Also cost me a very large collection of Commonwealth and German WW1 badges (incl RFC badges, Iron Crosses ID tags etc) and my Dad'd medals. Double Bugger! that's terrible! I've never understood how people can justify taking deeply personal mementoes away from an ex no matter how bad the relationship. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 20, 2012 22:02:28 GMT 12
I have been re-reading this old thread after Shorty mentioned it elsewhere. A few follow up queries come to mind: Regarding Hairy's rumour that John Smith actually got two Mosquitoes and trucked them to Mapua, Shorty said: Re the Mossie, I'll ask John next time I'm up there (he still owes me a favour) Did you find anything out Nev? Also: Something that is true tho is that when I was doing some research in the files of the Hamilton newspaper there was a report in one of the late 40's of a group of Waikato farmers looking at going to the UK and investigating the possibility of using Lancasters for top dressing. Pity that came to nothing as that would have been damned exciting! Much better than watching Cubs and Tigers do it. I reckon maintenance on the merlins would have been a nightmare. Does anyone here have more information of the date, people involved and how real the possibility that Lancasters might have been considered for topdressing? I assume it was after the Avengers and Bristol Freighters proved it could be done on a large scale? Also has anyone here found any more leads on the Trentham Fokker Dr.1 as decribed by Robert Montgomery(Monty) and Shorty in the thread? And lastly, Shamus is there any chance you can post those Oxford photos you mentioned above please? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 20, 2012 22:20:18 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 20, 2012 22:35:52 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 20, 2012 23:20:09 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 21, 2012 0:31:29 GMT 12
Well, well, well, this is fascinating: paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=FS19190624.2.33&srpos=7&e=01-11-1918--12-1940--10--1-byDA---0german+aeroplane+museum--Feilding Star, Volume XV, Issue 3820, 24 June 1919, Page 2 HAUL FROM THE GERMANS. THOUSANDS OF WAR TROPHIES. The Waimana, which arrived at Auckland yesterday with troops, had on board thousands of war trophies, including samples of practically every German lighting device. There are 22 field guns, including one 135 millimetre piece that was captured near Welsh Ridge, on September 29. 7 4.2 howitzers, hundreds of machine guns, bundles of rifles, a trench mortar aud its fittings (including the bed, extra barrel, and elevator), several crates of aeroplane wings, and an aeroplane engine, hospital beds, barrack beds, trench clubs, body armour, dug-out frames, gas masks, smoke screen producers and numberless other objects. It is understood that those trophies are intended for the Dominion Museum. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 21, 2012 0:37:42 GMT 12
I guess those crated aeroplane wings were not for the Albatros, as this is two months later and the Albatros had not yet arrived in NZ. So several crated of wings could be for a Triplane? paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19190808.2.84&srpos=12&e=01-11-1918--12-1940--10--11-byDA---0german+aeroplane+museum--Evening Post, Volume XCVIII, Issue 33, 8 August 1919, Page 8 CAPTURED HUN AEROPLANE FOR NATIONS WAR MUSEUM. A German Albratross C.I. aeroplane, which is being forwarded to New Zealand from Egypt has an interesting history. It was chased down by Captain Green, on a B.E.12 machine, near Lake Doiran, Salonika. The pilot was a Hun n.c.o., and. the passenger a Prince, supposed to be the nephew of the Kaiser. Out-manoeuvred in the air, the Prince surrendered, and ordered the pilot to land. Both were taken prisoners, and Captain Green flew the machine-direct to Salonika and handed it over. It was shipped to Alexandria, and sent to Abukir, where it was rebuilt, and flown by Major Millar and Major Peck. On one of the machine's flights the engine stopped and it was not flown again. The 'plane was exhibited at Cairo, and at the Alexandrian War Museum. This interesting'trophy will come to the National War Museum. |
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