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Post by wildbillkelso on Aug 2, 2010 4:20:44 GMT 12
I think I've found the correct model, so she's more or less ready to roll: But what about the underwing lettering? Does she have to carry her serial there too? Everything else should be in place so far... Any comments, especially on things to be improved, highly welcome! Cheers, Markus.
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Post by ZacYates on Aug 2, 2010 10:16:54 GMT 12
Looks great, Markus! I will be a very keen downloader and subsequent flier of this beauty!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 2, 2010 11:05:11 GMT 12
Wow, that is awesome Markus, well done. Now you need to find some Army trucks and troops to chase around with your Army Co-operation Harvard. Or at least an anti-aircraft battery to make mock attacks on. ;D
I don't think wartime Harvards in operational schemes carried any lettering underneath, did they?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 2, 2010 11:13:04 GMT 12
I do wonder if the colours in the photo are dark green and dark earth, rather than the "Pacific Blue" (or RNZAF Blue-Grey) as Charles Darby's book suggests. Being Army Co-op you'd think brown would be more appropriate as they worked over land, not sea.
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Post by baz62 on Aug 2, 2010 14:51:39 GMT 12
Wow thats looking awesome. I'm with Zac I'd download it!!
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Post by Bruce on Aug 2, 2010 21:28:24 GMT 12
Love it - it really comes alive!
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Post by wildbillkelso on Aug 3, 2010 3:13:18 GMT 12
Thank you for your kind feedback, gents! I do wonder if the colours in the photo are dark green and dark earth, rather than the "Pacific Blue" (or RNZAF Blue-Grey) as Charles Darby's book suggests. Being Army Co-op you'd think brown would be more appropriate as they worked over land, not sea. Good point! Hard to imagine a surrounding where this blue/green combination is able to "hide" this aeroplane... But anyway: This camo pattern just looks good, and because there's at least one source confirming this paint, I think I should leave it that way. Some weeks back, I did a repaint on Geoffrey Fisken's Kittyhawk "Wairarapa Wildcat" (NZ3072). The experts I asked weren't able to find a conclusive answer whether this bird carried Foliage Green or Olive Drab during its time at Guadalcanal. So I rolled out both variants to let the user decide: For the camo pattern of the Harvard repaint consists of several layers, it would be no big thing to release a "Dark Earth / Dark Green" variant too. It just takes some mouse clicks to change the colours... Cheers, Markus.
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Post by shorty on Aug 3, 2010 9:07:52 GMT 12
Bit worried about the pilots apparel Markus, looks like they have been drafted into the US Army!
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Post by wildbillkelso on Aug 4, 2010 2:39:21 GMT 12
...looks like they have been drafted into the US Army! Well, I have to admit not to be too much accustomed to the correct gear, but quoting from rnzaf.hobbyvista.com/gf.htmlmakes me think that US style won't be too wrong: "Flying Officer Geoff Fisken with NZ3072 at Guadalcanal, in 1943. Note: The RNZAF pilots used mostly American flying gear, but with the British 'Mae West' life jacket."Cheers, Markus.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 4, 2010 9:32:11 GMT 12
I think Shorty is referring to the pilots in the Harvard. They should have the wool-lined leather Irvin jackets on, flying from Norwood, south of Christchurch. If they were not wearing a heavy flying jacket they'd be in blue battledress.
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Post by shorty on Aug 4, 2010 21:39:54 GMT 12
I think Shorty is referring to the pilots in the Harvard. They should have the wool-lined leather Irvin jackets on, flying from Norwood, south of Christchurch. If they were not wearing a heavy flying jacket they'd be in blue battledress. Definitely not DP clothing (thats a very recent innovation) and also leather flying helmets, not baseball caps!
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Post by wildbillkelso on Aug 5, 2010 2:59:20 GMT 12
Ahhhh - I see! Well, the basecaps and the shape of the flightsuits are coded into the model file - no chance for me as a painter to get them off or tweaked. Furthermore, the creator's license to repaint their original work usually is restricted to the exterior textures (fuselage, wings etc.), so modifying other parts might be considered as a violation of the repaint & re-distribute permission granted by the copyright holders. So you just have to live with the quite unappropriate apparel... Cheers, Markus.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 5, 2010 13:25:02 GMT 12
Just pretend some joyriders stole the Harvard. ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 5, 2010 13:26:25 GMT 12
Or some duck shooters! ;D ;D
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Post by wildbillkelso on Aug 11, 2010 3:31:43 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 27, 2010 19:30:30 GMT 12
Although I'm sad to remove the wonderful No. 21 Squadron Harvards, as they've been favourite headers for me, I thought it is timely to put a wee tribute to the kiwis who flew in the Battle of Britain 70 years ago.
The Harvards may return later in the year.
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Post by smithy on Aug 27, 2010 20:53:11 GMT 12
Although I'm sad to remove the wonderful No. 21 Squadron Harvards, as they've been favourite headers for me, I thought it is timely to put a wee tribute to the kiwis who flew in the Battle of Britain 70 years ago. The Harvards may return later in the year. Good job Dave, you know I'll be happy. Would be nice to have Brian Carbury in there as well, he's so often overlooked but he bagged more than any other Kiwi in the Battle.
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Post by obiwan27 on Aug 27, 2010 21:02:00 GMT 12
Nice tribute header Dave. It'll be interesting to see what tributes are paid here in NZ to commemorate our lads part in the Battle.
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Post by alanw on Aug 27, 2010 21:12:50 GMT 12
Not taking away from the sacrifice of other Allied/Commonwealth forces involved in the Battle of Britain, nor were they the most numerous of the commonwealth.
For their part, New Zealand Pilots certainly earned their place as a part of the "Few" and a variety of aces among them too.
Alan Deere, Colin Grey, and though he (to my knowledge) didn't fight in the battle, Keith Park provided great leadership (referring to the gents above).
Others such as Wilf Clousten went on to earn other areas of fame (CO of 488 squadron during battle of Singapore, previous 19 Squadron RAF)
As a small island nation we certainly have gone to the fore and back for King/Queen and country.
People, we should always be proud of and always remember them.
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Post by smithy on Aug 27, 2010 21:17:23 GMT 12
and though he (to my knowledge) didn't fight in the battle, Keith Park provided great leadership (referring to the gents above). In many ways he was possibly the most important individual in the Battle of Britain, perhaps even more so than Stuffy. Remember what Lord Tedder said of him: "If any one man won the Battle of Britain, he did. I do not believe it is realised how much that one man, with his leadership, his calm judgment and his skill, did to save, not only this country, but the world."
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