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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Sept 24, 2013 8:25:03 GMT 12
Please, please, let today be the last day of this Gilbert and Sullivan opera! I would be more inclined to class it as being “ Wagnerian” in scale....
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Post by harrysone on Sept 24, 2013 9:40:01 GMT 12
...apparently it's another slow case of "Kiwi Purgatory"
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Post by machpants on Sept 24, 2013 17:16:44 GMT 12
Not one of these again!?!
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Post by steveh on Sept 24, 2013 18:00:18 GMT 12
Much as I hate to say it, I have become fully reconciled to Oracle winning the cup. the Ellison $$$$ seem to have been able to overcome any shortcomings in the boat & Spittal/Ainsley are outsailing Barker/Davies at every point. Still hope I'm wrong though. Steve.
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Post by suthg on Sept 24, 2013 18:31:53 GMT 12
Yes, their Lieu Day Card has paid dividends, both in equipment and team cohesiveness. They are on top of their game at the moment. They have to make a mistake now for TNZ to win.
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Post by TS on Sept 24, 2013 19:10:14 GMT 12
Well if Oracle had not paid for half of NZ's yacht designers/ boat builders to go over and fix their boat this might not be happening. Apparrently they moved the wing back about a foot and that has made all the diff. Just look at how oracle does not nose dive so much anymore.... Money talks in this game and the Devil looks after his own. BUT can you still trust a CHEAT I do not think so!!!!
KEEP the FAITH this is yachting and as we have seen ANYTHING can happen.
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Post by machpants on Sept 24, 2013 22:44:31 GMT 12
Much as I hate to say it, I have become fully reconciled to Oracle winning the cup. the Ellison $$$$ seem to have been able to overcome any shortcomings in the boat & Spittal/Ainsley are outsailing Barker/Davies at every point. Still hope I'm wrong though. Steve. Yeah me too, a win would be a pleasant surprise!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 24, 2013 23:01:02 GMT 12
The competition should be renamed from now onwards as "Oracle versus Miracle"
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Sept 25, 2013 8:50:27 GMT 12
Time to head off to the TAB and place a large bet on Oracle to win, eh? The government will end up wearing the brunt of the blame, based on past experience. The government of the day always loses heaps of popularity whenever NZ loses the Rugby World Cup, or the America's Cup.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 25, 2013 9:11:11 GMT 12
The problem is New Zealand sporting audiences are so incredibly one-eyed and biased, and will never take a moment to think that the other team might just be better at the sport than their team. (Apart from cricket where we all know everyone's better than NZ these days!)
The kiwi audiences are not just biased, they are bad sports. I went to the rugby two weekends ago at Hamilton. I wouldn't normally go to a live game but my mate got free tickets from his work. I was stunned and saddened by crowd's attitude. Waikato were playing Auckland, and Waikato was clearly playing as a better team on the day but the crowd still had to rub it in. They cheered loudly when Waikato did something good, but dead silence when Auckland did something well. When the Waikato kicker was shooting for goal he was given a respectful silence, whereas the Auckland kicker was roundly booed as if he were Quade Cooper. No doubt if Waikato had lost on the day, which they didn't, the crowd would have developed into an angry seething mass.
What has happened to sportsmanship? What has happened to respect for the other team?
In the case of this boat race, Oracle are sailing very well, they have a faster boat, and they are deserving these wins and the massive comeback from a poor position on the scoreboard.
Whereas New Zealand is no longer sailing well, they have lost the edge over the other team because they seem to have stopped using their boat effectively.
Barker and his team are choking under pressure, and it's of course not the first time they've done that. They simply don't seem to have the talent onboard to lift themselves further. This is not the fault of Oracle, this is not the fault of America, and it's certainly not the fault of the New Zealand Government who have done more than their part pouring funding into the team. Don't blame anyone else other than Team New Zealand, but remember it's only sport, there's always a winner in sport and it's is sometimes not the team you support. That's life, build a bridge and get over it. There are far more important things in life than some damned yacht race.
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Post by corsair5517 on Sept 25, 2013 9:34:56 GMT 12
Amen.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 25, 2013 9:41:40 GMT 12
I guess the US lawyers won't be needed. USA will win tomorrow for sure.
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Post by phil82 on Sept 25, 2013 9:49:13 GMT 12
Well,NZ were done like a dinner today...twice.The way things look at present, if TNZ fell into a pool full of naked blondes they'd come up sucking their thumbs.But wait!!! There's more, the great conspiracy will be revealed tomorrow when the host broadcaster reveals that the last race has been bought and paid for by Oracle himself, but NZ will win it making the final score 9-8, and at the same time , scores of flying pigs will blot out the sky over Auckland.
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Sept 25, 2013 9:57:35 GMT 12
Well,NZ were done like a dinner today...twice.The way things look at present, if TNZ fell into a pool full of naked blondes they'd come up sucking their thumbs.But wait!!! There's more, the great conspiracy will be revealed tomorrow when the host broadcaster reveals that the last race has been bought and paid for by Oracle himself, but NZ will win it making the final score 9-8, and at the same time , scores of flying pigs will blot out the sky over Auckland. Good grief Phil - it sounds like you've just downed a bottle of Purple Death
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Post by phil82 on Sept 25, 2013 10:06:03 GMT 12
Those rumours were all lies! never touched the stuff!
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Post by suthg on Sept 25, 2013 12:09:48 GMT 12
Oh, you mean, it never touched the sides... Yes I'm afraid but it would take a big mistake by the Oracle Team for TNZ to get their nose in front and win the last race, whenever the weather will let it take place. When the direction is correct, after this next storm episode; the wind speed may be too light.... Note that recently we have been winning in two races and both were called off - one was when the race was called off for "over time - duration" and the other we were leading in, the race was called off due to windspeed exceeding the limit.
Perhaps Saturday will be the next race day?
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Post by obiwan27 on Sept 25, 2013 12:58:57 GMT 12
The government will end up wearing the brunt of the blame, based on past experience. The government of the day always loses heaps of popularity whenever NZ loses the Rugby World Cup, or the America's Cup. ETNZ can't lose the America's Cup - they have to win it again first, an outcome that is looking more remote. An interesting viewpoint here: www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/9207590/Oracle-always-had-faster-boat-designer
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Post by suthg on Sept 25, 2013 18:26:54 GMT 12
Kiwi expertise behind Oracle's Cup ResurgenceAn SOS to their Kiwi boat builders has helped fire up Oracle's incredible comeback in the America's Cup. Oracle's miracle roll continued yesterday as they won a fifth consecutive race, this time by 33 seconds, to keep Team New Zealand on match point, a position the Kiwis have been stuck on for six days. Team New Zealand has had just one win in 10 days. It was about the time of that last victory that help for Oracle arrived from New Zealand via experts and equipment from Core Builders Composites in Warkworth. The company is a 100 per cent-owned subsidiary of Oracle, producing the wingsails, foils and appendages for the AC72s. It also built the smaller AC45s that were at the centre of Oracle's cheating scandal. It has made private boats for Larry Ellison and its ties to this regatta run deep - America's Cup Events Authority's New Zealand boss Stephen Barclay is a director. But it's the design and build masterminds that have come to the rescue of an Oracle boat that was struggling for speed early in its clash with Team New Zealand. Oracle has clearly made huge gains to dominate and give the defenders real hope of retaining the Cup. more... www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/9203760/Kiwi-expertise-behind-Oracles-Cup-resurgenceDean Barker and ETNZ... Team New Zealand haven't stood still and remain hugely confident in their boat. But there was a touch of envy in Dean Barker's reply when he was asked about Oracle's resources to fund a game of catchup. "Well, you have got a guy there that is fairly wealthy running that team," Barker said, referring to Ellison. "They want for nothing - they have had absolutely everything they needed all the way through. So that resource has made them a very strong team and able to react like they have been able to. "We obviously come at it from the other side, having to watch everything we spend. We have obviously had to make a lot of tough decisions along the way, though that's not the reason why we aren't winning this last race." Barker said Team New Zealand's changes would be more about altering aerodynamics and appendages to suit conditions. Good luck guys!! Go ETNZ!! .
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Sept 26, 2013 8:10:18 GMT 12
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Sept 26, 2013 8:16:47 GMT 12
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