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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 11:25:15 GMT 12
Yeah Conman you are exactly right. It would be good publicity for the RNZAF when they annouce the Herc's replacement, considering that the general public thinks that we possess practically no aircraft and do very little with them, all due to the highly publicised disbanding of the Air Combat Force. Alot of the people i talk to think we mainly have helicopters, getting new aircraft would show these people that we infact have aircraft, along with highly trained personal to fly them.
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Post by Chris F on Sept 25, 2011 15:33:37 GMT 12
The next fixed wing replacement will be the Kingair with a newer version of the Kingair and that has been in progress for sometime now.
Also the the possible advanced tandam seat trainer of the likes of a T-6II.
Only time will tell.
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Post by yogi on Sept 25, 2011 16:38:18 GMT 12
This is quoted from the RNZAF website "Currently the aircraft are undergoing a modernisation and structural improvement programme to ensure that last until 2015." So maybe not Dave  hopefully not anyway haha link the the source www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/aircraft/hercules.htmAre you sure they didnt mean the upgrade program was to last till 2015? because at the rate its going I wouldnt be surprised! ;D ;D I think the reality is buying new aircraft with what public opinion is towards military procurement nowadays would be... hmm perhaps not political suicide but definitely looked upon very negatively, regardless of what the economy is doing. From what I can tell the public is largely indifferent towards military goings on until it comes to spending any money and "they" dont care whether we are in an ecomonic boom or a recession as far as the average person is concerned its all wasted money. All you ever get is "whos going to attack us" or "why should we help them". Something is terribly wrong deep within the average new zealanders phyche and until general public opinion and perception towards the armed forces is changed (or theres a bloody war) no government will ever choosingly spend 1 cent more than they absolutely HAVE to. I think the defence department would be better off spending a decent chunk of their budgets on advertising propaganda over the next few years and help sway public opinion in their direction. People need to be educated and shown why it is important to have a halfway decent defence force.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 16:52:14 GMT 12
Yeah i heard about the Kingair replacement, are they definitely replacing it with a newer version? Will they lease them or buy them (hopefully buy)? Where did you read about the advanced tandam seat trainer? I think the CT4-E is good, but something that offers more performance would be great for the Red Checkers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 16:55:53 GMT 12
Yogi I couldn't agree more on the public opinion thing, it really erks me when one of my mates say "what air force?", we have a great air force just the disbanding of the ACF squadrons have made the public think otherwise, there is more to an air force then just jet fighters, even though i personally think we need a strike force.
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Post by beagle on Sept 25, 2011 18:09:57 GMT 12
Would be another good Air Show stopper with wing overs like this one.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 25, 2011 18:11:04 GMT 12
The major problem with public opinion supporting the RNZAF is that most of the public who have always supported our military and the RNZAF are sadly all dying off quickly - the wartime generation who knew the RNZAF was all important. Anyone younger then them are pretty blase' about our defence, the kids of the baby boomer generation are largely too self centred to care about the nation's defence; the kids of my generation have lived through peace in our time so long they so have no concept of the need for defence; and the kids of today are largely so disjointed from defence matters that they wouldn't even realise our country had fought two world wars and several others in South-East Asia, and generally won't give a toss unless it was an Xbox game.
But public opinion matters not. It is having a committed Government that is all important. The Government purchases or implements loads of things every year that the general public knows or cares nothing about but it is still for the nation's good. We simply need the right people with the right attitudes in power, and I don't just mean Ministers but also the back room civil servants who really run the country.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Sept 25, 2011 18:12:06 GMT 12
The current C-130 upgrade has a long way to go to deliver the capability promised (and contracted!) due to the well known issues with the new avionics. While both aircraft have now returned from the US they are still not operational. If the problems can't be resolved then we will be forced into replacing them much earlier than was planned.
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Post by beagle on Sept 25, 2011 18:12:06 GMT 12
pretty snazzy cockpit. even HUDS. Only thing missing there is the microwave oven.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 19:14:32 GMT 12
Whats the crew for the A400m? is it Pilot, Co-pilot and flight engineer?
Also after seeing this picture i wondered, is flying getting more complicated with the arrival of advanced electronics or easier than the old analog instruments?
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Post by yogi on Sept 26, 2011 15:35:49 GMT 12
Whats the crew for the A400m? is it Pilot, Co-pilot and flight engineer? Also after seeing this picture i wondered, is flying getting more complicated with the arrival of advanced electronics or easier than the old analog instruments? I guess that depends on your definition of easy. Alot more automation should mean there is alot less load on the pilot ... but im just regurgitating what i've been told. In a military situation theres bound to be alot more widgets and doofers to get shot off in an a400 vs. a herc. Just a thought, mind you though the chance of hitting a critical sensor and its redundant counterpart are probably no higher than hitting a couple of flight control wires. 6 of 1 - 1/2 a dozen and 3/8ths of another... I bet the a400 is whole lot cleaner and far nicer to work on than a herc though ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 15:49:36 GMT 12
I was thinking of all the complicated buttons and switches compared to having less dials and gauges. The cockpit of a modern aircraft looks a lot more complicated then a older aircraft, but does the fancy equipment make an aircraft easier to fly or more complicated by having to remember all the different buttons uses.
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Post by beagle on Sept 26, 2011 16:10:25 GMT 12
If you look closer at the screen on the left with the green and pinky red colours in it, isn't that a facebook button along the bottom row.....hehe
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 17:02:29 GMT 12
haha could be twitter Never know when you might need to tweet about how the mission was a success on the trip home haha |
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Post by guest on Sept 26, 2011 20:08:24 GMT 12
I was thinking of all the complicated buttons and switches compared to having less dials and gauges. The cockpit of a modern aircraft looks a lot more complicated then a older aircraft, but does the fancy equipment make an aircraft easier to fly or more complicated by having to remember all the different buttons uses. I guess automation has focused a lot of information into a couple of instruments that display "what is believed to be" the most important information to a pilot for the "mode" that the aircraft is in. The other stuff is taken care of by the computer (eg flight engineers are now redundant - A400, C17 C130J, etc). The two main western have a different philosophy, which has prompted some intersting comments. Such as: "The airbus has you often using your brain space wondering what on earth is the computer doing. A Boeing has feel through the control column - you can turn around and chat to somebody, but while you have your hands on the controls and thrust levers you can feel exactly what is happening. The Airbus has a sidestick that feels just like your $20 joystick linked up to flight sim feels like. In fact in training, the best advice was to treat the airbus sidestick like another mans penis - only touch it if you have no other choice."  I dont operate in this environment, but the likes of Hautney, Barnsey, etc may have some views? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 20:28:27 GMT 12
Haha fair enough, to be fair i muc prefer the classic control column for bigger planes, jousticks are for fighter jets and other aircraft of smaller size.
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Post by shorty on Sept 27, 2011 7:54:47 GMT 12
Haha fair enough, to be fair i muc prefer the classic control column for bigger planes, jousticks are for fighter jets and other aircraft of smaller size. Experienced both systems have we? |
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Post by baronbeeza on Sept 27, 2011 9:01:07 GMT 12
Hahaha, Shorty..
Dont' you ever let a chance go by..
D'you know who you're picking?
''''''''''' Air Force training? Ihave a set direction, I have a goal, I have lots of knowledge, now I just need the years to tick down so i can join . ''''''''''''''
Oooh! Oooh! said young Normie
who'd come top of his class in English,
Teenager in the ranks.....
lots of knowledge, it may transfer over to lots of experience..
Then again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 14:49:56 GMT 12
Yes im a teenager, i have actually used both control types. Not many times but i still have. I think it just looks wrong to have a one handed joystick to control such a big plane. Please do not let my age discredit my opinion or infromation that i present to you guys on this forum, as it is very degrading...
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Post by yogi on Sept 27, 2011 17:06:17 GMT 12
dont be offended bud just abit of dry humour. when you are old and grumpy you can pick on teenagers too  Anyways back to your post. Both systems have their benefits and pitfalls, I guess airbus are thinking well why have a big dirty ol control column when we can simply have a stick, frees up space,(not that you would ever know from what ive seen of a320 cockpits). likely cheaper etc. Also a point of difference between them and boeing I suppose, however no doubt there is a more positive feel from the traditional control column and yoke. I wonder if the a300 uses an incrementally adjusting system with pitch and roll like the other busses? As in move the stick to whatever direction once for a slow roll or crack it over 2 or 3 times to speed things up  |
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hopefully not anyway haha
