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Post by meo4 on Dec 19, 2011 21:35:30 GMT 12
This aircraft ticks all the boxes the medium range surveillance, multi engine advanced trainer VIP Has EL2202 search radar ,FLIR ,etc Dorneir Do328 of the Australian Maritime Authority. Attachments:
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Post by meo4 on Dec 19, 2011 21:44:13 GMT 12
STAR FIRE 3 FLIR Attachments:
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Post by luke6745 on Dec 19, 2011 22:14:50 GMT 12
CN-235 does the same thing as the Dorneir and it's the same size but the CN-235 is actually a military aircraft. And it has a ramp.
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Post by baronbeeza on Dec 19, 2011 22:29:13 GMT 12
Oh dear, the Dornier 328 is not well liked. It is the type I was saying to stay well clear of.
''''' They will certainly not be following the path of Pearl up in Darwin, they bought the orphan Dornier 328 for the Aerorescue contract. possibly a capable aircraft in a way but it has brought home the risks of trying to operate something out of the ordinary. '''''
I have worked on it and know of the issues. It has the goods regards the surveillance equipment but it has reliability issues. The Aussie 328's are operated by Pearl Aviation and they have staff retention and experience issues. The Dash 8, used in the similar Coastwatch contract, was so much easier to operate. |
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Post by Calum on Dec 19, 2011 22:50:18 GMT 12
This aircraft ticks all the boxes the medium range surveillance, multi engine advanced trainer VIP Has EL2202 search radar ,FLIR ,etc Dorneir Do328 of the Australian Maritime Authority. No ASW though |
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Post by htbrst on Dec 20, 2011 5:27:05 GMT 12
This aircraft ticks all the boxes the medium range surveillance, multi engine advanced trainer VIP Has EL2202 search radar ,FLIR ,etc Dorneir Do328 of the Australian Maritime Authority. I'd rather stick with an aircraft that is still in production or at very least had thousands built. An orphan aircraft that had only around 100 built to start with and has been out of production for years doesn't fit the bill IMHO. I think we should be aiming for something that already has a support base in NZ and preferably simulators in either NZ or AU. The ATR-72 or Dash 8 seems to fit the bill, and i'd like to think we could stretch to the ATR-72 ASW version which would fit the bill nicely. Sure, its not a CN-235, but would be almost as effective but much cheaper to run in the long term |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Dec 20, 2011 8:34:50 GMT 12
A rear ramp would be useful though? There is an ATR freight version, if that had a decent sized cargo door then an ASW version might be a good idea for commonality and training purposes.
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Post by Bruce on Dec 20, 2011 8:46:03 GMT 12
Dash 8 for inshore patrol work seems to work well in Aussie. When I was in Arnhem land earlier this year the Coastwatch Dash 8 came in and parked beside the MAF base. I had a little look at it. They regularly monitor the Timor Straits for people- and drug- smuggling vessels. The fitout used seems to be very effective and the aircraft is ideally suited to that role. The question is whether using it as a light freighter / trainer as well would compromise that - I dont think a "combi" would be viable. A fleet with some patrol and some light freighter would work. We would need something with "teeth" and longer range for our offshore requirements though - especially the work in the Southern Ocean.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Dec 20, 2011 9:05:24 GMT 12
The P3 and its long-range successors would still have a role to play then.
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Post by meo4 on Dec 20, 2011 14:12:31 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Dec 20, 2011 14:25:21 GMT 12
Interesting to see Herc dropping off dropping of aid to Russian fishing vessel you would think there would be a standby Orion on duty SAR. Main things dropped off were an extra pump, and fuel for it - it isn't as if they need food etc. Sounds like a Herc job to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 15:19:29 GMT 12
Was that one of the LEP hercs? at the end of the video there's a light grey thing on the landing gear housing thing (don't know the proper name  ). |
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Post by beagle on Dec 20, 2011 15:19:53 GMT 12
righteo... my turn
They start off int he CT4E
Then they do some hours on the PC-21
Helo guys go the A109 which we will have 8 of.
fixed wing go onto the C-235 or C-295. qty 5 Would the 295 be too much of a jump or am I right in saying in the past they went from wings to Andover.
Main heavy transport would be A400 x 5, in service from 2022
the B757's retire once the A400's have completed all fit for duty trials and bugs worn out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 16:24:42 GMT 12
Why would the 757's be retired beagle? Also PC-21 or EMB 314 Super Tucano? The tucano would give an attack role too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 16:33:14 GMT 12
Took a screenshot to show the lightgrey thingy I was talking about before... Attachments:
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Post by beagle on Dec 20, 2011 16:56:45 GMT 12
Why would the 757's be retired beagle? Also PC-21 or EMB 314 Super Tucano? The tucano would give an attack role too. 35.In considering the most appropriate airlift fleet mix, this study will also take account of the most effective use of the jet airlift currently provided by the two B757s. The roles, capabilities, and cost effectiveness of the current B757 fleet will be assessed, and the optimal configuration of any strategic jet transport capability will be determined. There has been rumours about their demise before. But cannot see it happening for 10 years. As for the super tucano, you mention "attack role" That word has gone from RNZAF dictionary |
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Post by baronbeeza on Dec 20, 2011 17:14:14 GMT 12
Oh yes, the LGT.
I think that was where the crew used to keep their beer cool.
They must have found another use for it under the LEP if they are making it so obvious these days.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Dec 20, 2011 18:56:42 GMT 12
Yep it was a LEP herc that did the drop. Two of them have been doing the Ice Cube flights this season. Great to see them put to work at last (the avionics must be working OK to fly way down south).
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Post by beagle on Dec 20, 2011 19:40:05 GMT 12
i was at a local food shop the other week and in popped a few car loads of air force to fill up on pies while I was decided whether to get a healthy roll or wrap. yeah right says the mrs.
A Flt Sgt Lesley Mayer was the avionics leader by the looks. She was a senior Cpl on 40 sqn when I was there back in the early / mid 90's
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Post by ngatimozart on Dec 21, 2011 16:32:00 GMT 12
"The govt has said NZDF has to save $350 - $400 million annually for 10 years so theoretically they will have between $3.5 billion and $4.0 billion in the kitty by the 2020/2021 financial year. " I don't think their idea of 'saving' means putting it into a bank account, it means simply not spending it as there isn't the money to spend. Am I right or wrong here? I'm not sure Dave but the latest Navy News that said that the money was being ring fenced so I'd presume that it's somewhere in the bowels of Treasury. IIRC the 2010 DWP also said about the savings. But I also have along memory of Muldoon dealing to the NZ Super Fund as well. Maybe somebody may who works in the area may have an idea of how it works. |
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