Post by baronbeeza on Dec 19, 2011 22:29:13 GMT 12
Oh dear, the Dornier 328 is not well liked. It is the type I was saying to stay well clear of.
''''' They will certainly not be following the path of Pearl up in Darwin, they bought the orphan Dornier 328 for the Aerorescue contract. possibly a capable aircraft in a way but it has brought home the risks of trying to operate something out of the ordinary. '''''
I have worked on it and know of the issues. It has the goods regards the surveillance equipment but it has reliability issues. The Aussie 328's are operated by Pearl Aviation and they have staff retention and experience issues.
The Dash 8, used in the similar Coastwatch contract, was so much easier to operate.
Last Edit: Dec 19, 2011 22:29:59 GMT 12 by baronbeeza
This aircraft ticks all the boxes the medium range surveillance, multi engine advanced trainer VIP Has EL2202 search radar ,FLIR ,etc Dorneir Do328 of the Australian Maritime Authority.
I'd rather stick with an aircraft that is still in production or at very least had thousands built. An orphan aircraft that had only around 100 built to start with and has been out of production for years doesn't fit the bill IMHO.
I think we should be aiming for something that already has a support base in NZ and preferably simulators in either NZ or AU.
The ATR-72 or Dash 8 seems to fit the bill, and i'd like to think we could stretch to the ATR-72 ASW version which would fit the bill nicely.
Sure, its not a CN-235, but would be almost as effective but much cheaper to run in the long term
Dash 8 for inshore patrol work seems to work well in Aussie. When I was in Arnhem land earlier this year the Coastwatch Dash 8 came in and parked beside the MAF base. I had a little look at it. They regularly monitor the Timor Straits for people- and drug- smuggling vessels. The fitout used seems to be very effective and the aircraft is ideally suited to that role. The question is whether using it as a light freighter / trainer as well would compromise that - I dont think a "combi" would be viable. A fleet with some patrol and some light freighter would work. We would need something with "teeth" and longer range for our offshore requirements though - especially the work in the Southern Ocean.
If it was supposed to be easy. everyone would be doing it...
An ASW ATR seems pointless to me. We have a P-3K (and soon P-3K2) to do that! If we get something like a DHC-8 or ATR then let it just do fisheries surveillance etc. In an ATR, by the time you had anything like meaningful acoustics gear, crew, sonobuoy and torpedo/depth charge load you'd probably be able to put enough gas into it to do a circuit and land... (okay, possibly and exaggeration, but it would a massive step back from the P-3...)
They start off int he CT4E Then they do some hours on the PC-21 Helo guys go the A109 which we will have 8 of. fixed wing go onto the C-235 or C-295. qty 5 Would the 295 be too much of a jump or am I right in saying in the past they went from wings to Andover. Main heavy transport would be A400 x 5, in service from 2022 the B757's retire once the A400's have completed all fit for duty trials and bugs worn out.
Why would the 757's be retired beagle? Also PC-21 or EMB 314 Super Tucano? The tucano would give an attack role too.
35.In considering the most appropriate airlift fleet mix, this study will also take account of the most effective use of the jet airlift currently provided by the two B757s. The roles, capabilities, and cost effectiveness of the current B757 fleet will be assessed, and the optimal configuration of any strategic jet transport capability will be determined. There has been rumours about their demise before. But cannot see it happening for 10 years.
As for the super tucano, you mention "attack role" That word has gone from RNZAF dictionary
i was at a local food shop the other week and in popped a few car loads of air force to fill up on pies while I was decided whether to get a healthy roll or wrap. yeah right says the mrs. A Flt Sgt Lesley Mayer was the avionics leader by the looks. She was a senior Cpl on 40 sqn when I was there back in the early / mid 90's