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Post by Dave Homewood on May 28, 2019 16:48:43 GMT 12
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Post by saratoga on May 28, 2019 18:06:06 GMT 12
Reading that it looks like we are too small to ever be able to think big.
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Post by flyinkiwi on May 29, 2019 9:33:22 GMT 12
It reads like they were looking for reasons to say no.
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Post by mcmaster on May 29, 2019 9:58:22 GMT 12
Reading that it looks like we are too small to ever be able to think big. Sadly that pretty much sums it up. Also dont get how the presence of fast jets in the airspace impedes training for the RNZAF where basically that lack of capability is unique to NZ. Beats me. |
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Post by mcmaster on May 29, 2019 10:27:42 GMT 12
It reads like they were looking for reasons to say no. Agree. Whilst it could all just be too hard and that's why they said no, it highlights that in the benign day to day NZ's lack of air combat goes along without much public thought. This request however and issues like who will do air policing in Auckland for the upcoming APEC meeting maybe might start NZers thinking more about controlling sovereignty of their airspace. |
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Post by horicle on May 29, 2019 10:32:13 GMT 12
A quick pass through the released document brings up
- Even if New Zealand purchased a new capability such as the P8 surveillance aircraft presently under consideration, a longer runway is not required to support this. -
I thought a runny extension is required. What else might be wrong?
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Post by saratoga on May 29, 2019 15:37:39 GMT 12
I think it was too many eggs in the same basket, and we would have to bend to accommodate the Singapore operations. When we only have 2 functioning airbases, doesn't leave any spare capacity. Noting also that all the operational fast jet experience is gone or totally grounded they would be too risk averse.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 29, 2019 16:38:59 GMT 12
Oh please. Singapore was only planning to base about eight aircraft there. You think that Ohakea is not big enough to accommodate that?
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Post by saratoga on May 29, 2019 17:34:57 GMT 12
Its not the physical accommodation, its the operational one we, apparently, couldn't handle.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 29, 2019 18:39:32 GMT 12
I do not understand your point.
Not too many years ago there used to be No. 75 Squadron, No. 14 Squadron, No. 42 Squadron, the Central Flying School and Pilot Training Squadron all operating there together, with other daily flights in and out, totalling a shitload more aircraft operating in the circuit and training areas than are currently based there. Why does the addition of six to eight aircraft now make it impossible?
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Post by saratoga on May 29, 2019 21:23:21 GMT 12
The not too many years ago was close to 20!. We no longer have the experience/knowledge base to do that anymore. There has always been issues with dissimilar performance aircraft types operating from Ohakea. Throw in the P-8's moving in as well, it landed in the too hard, politically disinterested basket...$$$
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 29, 2019 21:38:27 GMT 12
The military are very good at adapting to new circumstances, that is one of their fortes. If the need arose they'd easily adapt to a few more planes i the circuit.
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