|
|
Post by planewriting on Feb 2, 2023 8:38:18 GMT 12
|
|
|
|
Post by corsairarm on Feb 2, 2023 16:28:41 GMT 12
The only one which doesn’t have an airport at all is Tokelau. Reactive Sunderland NZ4115 from MoTAT? Yeah Nah. No fuel tanks in it, besides Mike and I haven't finished painting the inside plus Ron has to finish the rear turret. |
|
|
|
Post by alanster on Feb 2, 2023 16:43:29 GMT 12
Tokelau is the Navy’s problem. Since Tokelau is a NZ territory, the Navy should have a naval base there to keep watch on the Chinese goings-on in the South Pacific.
|
|
|
|
Post by retiredav8r on Feb 2, 2023 16:50:48 GMT 12
Tokelau is the Navy’s problem. Since Tokelau is a NZ territory, the Navy should have a naval base there to keep watch on the Chinese goings-on in the South Pacific. Obviously, a paranoia against China. Do you hold the same fear against USA, Great Britain, Australia. All have strong presence in the pacific. |
|
|
|
Post by richard1098 on Feb 2, 2023 18:39:24 GMT 12
Tokelau is the Navy’s problem. Since Tokelau is a NZ territory, the Navy should have a naval base there to keep watch on the Chinese goings-on in the South Pacific. Obviously, a paranoia against China. Do you hold the same fear against USA, Great Britain, Australia. All have strong presence in the pacific. New Zealand does have a formal alliance with Australia, and is a member of the 5 eyes intelligence sharing group, so its not a non aligned country, at least formally. Great Britain's footprint in the Pacific is pretty minimal though, no matter how much they talk it up hoping to support their application to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. |
|
|
|
Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 2, 2023 19:18:49 GMT 12
Why go to that trouble Peter when there is a fully operational amphibious Catalina in NZ looking for a new home?
|
|
|
|
Post by alanster on Feb 2, 2023 20:10:39 GMT 12
Tokelau is the Navy’s problem. Since Tokelau is a NZ territory, the Navy should have a naval base there to keep watch on the Chinese goings-on in the South Pacific. Obviously, a paranoia against China. Do you hold the same fear against USA, Great Britain, Australia. All have strong presence in the pacific. No. Only China. It’s a relatively minor concern though as China’s main geopolitical interest is the Sth China Sea / Malacca Straits / Indian Ocean. |
|
|
|
Post by Peter Lewis on Feb 2, 2023 21:23:22 GMT 12
Aviation please guys, not Politics.
|
|
|
|
Post by retiredav8r on Feb 3, 2023 9:21:57 GMT 12
See in this morning news, USA is establishing 4 more bases in the Philippines. A US take over is immanent.
|
|
tnos
Warrant Officer
Posts: 32
|
Post by tnos on Apr 21, 2023 21:27:51 GMT 12
I don’t know. I’ve always found the 727 and the 757 a weird fit to a nation the size of NZ. I think it’s just time the 757s are replaced with two types. Just buy more c130js for military work and transport tasks (or maybe a A400m or 3) if something bigger is needed. Then for the VIP work get a couple of Business jets G650, Global 8000, or something. Give it a secondary role in pilot training or something as an add on to 42 squadron.
|
|
|
|
Post by 30sqnatc on Apr 21, 2023 22:00:13 GMT 12
I don’t know. I’ve always found the 727 and the 757 a weird fit to a nation the size of NZ. I think it’s just time the 757s are replaced with two types. Just buy more c130js for military work and transport tanks (or maybe a A400m or 3) if something bigger is needed. Then for the VIP work get a couple of Business jets G650, Global 8000, or something. Give it a secondary role in pilot training or something as an add on to 42 squadron. Well multi day trips Singapore or East Timor in the back of a C-130 are not one of life's enjoyable experiences. Trips further afield are darn right diabilical. Cramped, noisy, box lunches, raining condensation and toilet in a can behind a curtain. 727/757 weird fit ..... have you actually tried it in a C-130? |
|
|
|
Post by gibbo on Apr 22, 2023 0:23:14 GMT 12
I don’t know. I’ve always found the 727 and the 757 a weird fit to a nation the size of NZ. I think it’s just time the 757s are replaced with two types. Just buy more c130js for military work and transport tanks (or maybe a A400m or 3) if something bigger is needed. Then for the VIP work get a couple of Business jets G650, Global 8000, or something. Give it a secondary role in pilot training or something as an add on to 42 squadron. Well multi day trips Singapore or East Timor in the back of a C-130 are not one of life's enjoyable experiences. Trips further afield are darn right diabilical. Cramped, noisy, box lunches, raining condensation and toilet in a can behind a curtain. 727/757 weird fit ..... have you actually tried it in a C-130? Keep hearing the same thing over & over about get rid of B757 for VIP use... I wish punters would remember that VIP is only a small (but very visible) part of what they do and their freight / combi capacity get used more than many seem to think. I do not believe it is acceptable to perform strategic personnel transport with a C130 given the distances required for the RNZAF to do so. |
|
tnos
Warrant Officer
Posts: 32
|
Post by tnos on Apr 25, 2023 0:14:06 GMT 12
I don’t know. I’ve always found the 727 and the 757 a weird fit to a nation the size of NZ. I think it’s just time the 757s are replaced with two types. Just buy more c130js for military work and transport tanks (or maybe a A400m or 3) if something bigger is needed. Then for the VIP work get a couple of Business jets G650, Global 8000, or something. Give it a secondary role in pilot training or something as an add on to 42 squadron. Well multi day trips Singapore or East Timor in the back of a C-130 are not one of life's enjoyable experiences. Trips further afield are darn right diabilical. Cramped, noisy, box lunches, raining condensation and toilet in a can behind a curtain. 727/757 weird fit ..... have you actually tried it in a C-130? Yes |
|
|
|
Post by tbf2504 on Apr 25, 2023 10:53:04 GMT 12
Want to go to the UK in the back of a C-130. Allow a minimum of 5 days, up to 8 hours + per day sitting/lying (if there is room) in a conditions as above. Transfer to a B727 or B757 and ooh! the relief. Having spent many hours in
all three types, the choice of the latter two for long distance travel is no contest. Remember the C-130 was designed as a Tactical transport, we have used it as a strategic transport with roll on toilet and sometimes ex-ANZ airline passenger seats, however it is till a C-130 at the end of the day
|
|
|
|
Post by camtech on Apr 25, 2023 11:53:52 GMT 12
Too true, Paul. Having flown back from the UK in a C-130, packed with crates of spares, 30 plus pax, only space to stretch out was on top of the freight, suffering from "Raindrops keep falling on my head", it's not my version of fun. The only bonus was an extra day in Honolulu when a dump valve wouldn't close, so turned back. Seven days on that run, last leg was Nadi to Wellington, clear customs then back up to Whenuapai.
|
|
|
|
Post by kiwirob on Apr 26, 2023 4:50:35 GMT 12
Obviously, a paranoia against China. Do you hold the same fear against USA, Great Britain, Australia. All have strong presence in the pacific. New Zealand does have a formal alliance with Australia, and is a member of the 5 eyes intelligence sharing group, so its not a non aligned country, at least formally. Great Britain's footprint in the Pacific is pretty minimal though, no matter how much they talk it up hoping to support their application to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. The only UK presence in the Pacific is Pitcairn Island, I doubt the less than 50 citizens really require any British military presence. I don’t believe a UK presence in the Pacific is required. |
|
|
|
Post by tbf2504 on Apr 26, 2023 11:14:11 GMT 12
Two of my "best" legs in a C-130 were:
On the way to Somalia in 1993, on the leg Melbourne - Perth with a Unimog 1300l taking up much of the hold space, plus spares, I crawled into the cab and laid out across the bench seat, closed the door and had a lovely 5 hour sleep. On descent, the loadie couldn't find me until one of the other pax remembered me going to the cab. The door opened and my boot was vigorously shaken to awake me!
The second one was on the way back from the UK with the gift UH-1H on board in 1994. The air conditioning system totally packed up for the Nandi - Christchurch leg, and the hold was around -4c, pax were rotated through the flight deck
which had an independent air con to get warm. I decided that I could sit in the left hand pilot seat of the huey with the doors closed and it was after a short time decidedly warmer than the hold!! Another reasonable solution.
|
|
|
|
Post by tfly on Sept 12, 2023 23:56:23 GMT 12
|
|
|
|
Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 21, 2023 6:13:42 GMT 12
|
|
|
|
Post by madmac on Dec 21, 2023 20:36:53 GMT 12
I suppose the interesting question is, if Act and NZF are pushing an increase in defense spending, have the requirements changed to the point of more than 2 airframes or more than 1 type to replace the B757's.
|
|
