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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 5, 2024 9:15:26 GMT 12
The 757's are not there solely for politicians' jollies.
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Post by machina on Mar 5, 2024 14:58:40 GMT 12
I know.
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Post by flyinkiwi on Mar 6, 2024 9:18:41 GMT 12
My 2c would be to buy or lease two Boeing 737-800's as they share parts with the P-8's and are so widely used worldwide the logistics tail should be quite mature by now.
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Post by gibbo on Mar 6, 2024 9:22:03 GMT 12
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Mar 6, 2024 12:15:41 GMT 12
Meanwhile... first of the RAAF's new Max-8 BBJ's spotted. Liking the fresh new look / scheme   |
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Post by ajmcg on Mar 7, 2024 12:41:01 GMT 12
A practical solution could be a pair of Boeing C-40A Clippers. Based on the 737-700NG it has a lot in common with both the P-8 Poseidon and the current 757s. The fuselage cross section matches the 757 and has the ability to load cargo and seating in pallet form similar to the 757, possibly even utilising the existing seats and pallets. It could also use medivac pallets for disaster area evacuations. Last delivered to the US Navy in 2019 there may be a possibility to use the Foreign Military Sale programme to get a sharper price. They would be multipurpose, affordable and brand new.
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Post by ErrolC on Mar 7, 2024 16:51:30 GMT 12
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Post by Antonio on Mar 8, 2024 23:12:48 GMT 12
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Post by sluf007 on Jun 17, 2024 19:34:48 GMT 12
There really is only one Aircraft to replace the 757 and also be common with Australia. That is the A330 MRT which is a Combi like the 757 and bonus comes with a Aerial Refueling option which we should have as well as we patrol one of the Largest ocean Patrol regions in the world. These are in production NOW. The bonus of buying in common with Australia is that we could arrange to use their simulator saving us a cost we could also patch into there spares system another cost saving.
The Boeing BBJ is not and option as they are on ly fitted for VIP travel and nothing else which NZ can,t really afford. This makes the Combi version the only option. Also the range of the A330 far exceeds the BBJ.
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Post by McFly on Jun 17, 2024 19:37:20 GMT 12
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Post by Antonio on Jun 17, 2024 23:05:12 GMT 12
Real scheme that one.
Loved it.
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Post by fiftythree on Jun 18, 2024 11:19:49 GMT 12
There really is only one Aircraft to replace the 757 and also be common with Australia. That is the A330 MRT which is a Combi like the 757 and bonus comes with a Aerial Refueling option which we should have as well as we patrol one of the Largest ocean Patrol regions in the world. These are in production NOW. The bonus of buying in common with Australia is that we could arrange to use their simulator saving us a cost we could also patch into there spares system another cost saving. The Boeing BBJ is not and option as they are on ly fitted for VIP travel and nothing else which NZ can,t really afford. This makes the Combi version the only option. Also the range of the A330 far exceeds the BBJ. Reality is New Zealand could do with both. KC30 for true strategic airlift. The refueller capability would be a smart move in supporting allies, particularly if competition in the Pacific escalates. A smaller aircraft is also needed for NZ/Australia/Pacific. Boeing C40 rather than BBJ, with A and C variants to meet pax /cargo (A) and pax/VIP (C). It would be a very hard sell to the public though, replacing two aircraft with five or six. But to meet actual Military/Government airlift requirements, greater aircraft numbers are required. |
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Post by sluf007 on Jun 18, 2024 18:22:55 GMT 12
They better do something as Aircrew will get pissed off and leave for Airlines.
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Post by machina on Jun 19, 2024 20:33:01 GMT 12
Going by the comments from the Govt over the last day or so we might have a decision soon. Maybe even a purchase.
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Post by Antonio on Jun 19, 2024 21:39:26 GMT 12
A321-200P2F ?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 21, 2024 5:13:21 GMT 12
It feels like the only times we hear about the 757's breaking down is when the PM or some other VIP is onboard. So I wonder, is that because there is media onboard too and the story gets out because the media can fill their word quota with it? Or are they also proving troublesome on all their other non-VIP duties? Are big contingents of grunts being offloaded and switched to commercial too due to breakdowns?
And I'd also like to know, are both aircraft experiencing a similar level of issues? Or is one an issue-riddled gremlin-filled nightmare, and the other a real honey?
Lastly, I have to wonder if these breakdowns when PM's are onboard actually genuine, and not just a persuasive political moves by the squadron to highlight the need of replacement aircraft?
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Post by tfly on Jul 24, 2024 8:35:37 GMT 12
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Post by b727 on Jul 26, 2024 9:46:19 GMT 12
Lastly, I have to wonder if these breakdowns when PM's are onboard actually genuine, and not just a persuasive political moves by the squadron to highlight the need of replacement aircraft? I think that we can safely assume that 40 Sqn have too much pride in their work to STAGE break-downs! |
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Post by madmac on Jul 26, 2024 13:53:27 GMT 12
For leased aircraft to actually work as described they would need to be on the ZK reg, and all personnel suitability licensed via CAANZ, otherwise all access to civilian aircraft and parts is one way at which point its cheaper just to buy something. |
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Post by madmac on Jul 26, 2024 14:00:32 GMT 12
There really is only one Aircraft to replace the 757 and also be common with Australia. That is the A330 MRT which is a Combi like the 757 and bonus comes with a Aerial Refueling option which we should have as well as we patrol one of the Largest ocean Patrol regions in the world. These are in production NOW. The bonus of buying in common with Australia is that we could arrange to use their simulator saving us a cost we could also patch into there spares system another cost saving. The Boeing BBJ is not and option as they are on ly fitted for VIP travel and nothing else which NZ can,t really afford. This makes the Combi version the only option. Also the range of the A330 far exceeds the BBJ. Reality is New Zealand could do with both. KC30 for true strategic airlift. The refueller capability would be a smart move in supporting allies, particularly if competition in the Pacific escalates. A smaller aircraft is also needed for NZ/Australia/Pacific. Boeing C40 rather than BBJ, with A and C variants to meet pax /cargo (A) and pax/VIP (C). It would be a very hard sell to the public though, replacing two aircraft with five or six. But to meet actual Military/Government airlift requirements, greater aircraft numbers are required. KC30's are not combi's, but the A330 MRT can be. Its a very large aircraft for what we need, we would be better buying 3 or 4 C2's and paying for a innovative cabin pod for VIPs (given the have no cabin widows, LED Glass wall concept of some form could be a go). |
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